Thanks, I know that already, I was just asking for approval to use a sandbox until they're confirmed (which you've replied saying you're okay with). Like Ellis99 always messages whenever there's a discussion that should be noticed if possible, a.) I've created a discussion about moving Electric Soldier Porygon to "Cyber Soldier Porygon" because it's the correct translation that should thus be mentioned on whatever character or Pokémon page links to the episode, and b.) that I'm running for Content Moderator because a.) some of the other admins have resigned, which opens up rights to renaming images/deleting/protecting pages open to an extra position in the wiki's staff, b.) Ellis recommended that I go for Content Mod months later, which makes this long overdue, and c.) I know how to use this for deleting Bulb images and vandalism or unnecessary mainspace pages and I know when protecting a page is only necessary if it's over multi-user issues, such as addition of fan speculation or sock puppetry to vandalize, since I have the experience to know how to delete/protect/rename images because I'm an admin on other wikis, and Content Mods have limited access to certain admin tools on the wiki, ones I think can suit the situations I run into a lot, and I know how to determine page protection time lengths, and even if I did run for admin (I have no plans to now), I would rather use Content Mod for now since that's the lower rank before admin. Sorry if that was too long, just that there was a lot of information to mention there regarding my knowledge of how to use Content Mod rights. PokémonGamer* 01:47, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

I'll message who you referred me to, thanks. I also have another question: maybe if a user has copied information from Bulbapedia and posted it on an article, sometimes we could maybe delete and undelete the page with select revisions restored (in other words, revisions that are not content copied from Bulbapedia) so that we are not archiving copyright violations originating from Bulbapedia. I know that Bulbapedia has an easier way of doing it since its administrators have revision-delete which allows them to strike out a certain revision to hide it from the public (edit content or edit summary), however on Wikia, it requires deleting and undeleting the page and restoring it without the problem revisions. (edit: I would have also personally recommended two weeks, since the vandal came back after a month to do it, which escalates the seriousness, but one week is fine, because I think it would scare users away if we just change the block unexpectedly just for judging it as being too lenient) PokémonGamer* 18:23, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

If you see a user named Pokemonshipper6 adding a huge, useless, broken extra moves table on this page, I just want to let you know that I've left a notice on their page in case anything happens like that again. PokémonGamer* 16:13, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

Because trivia is supposed to be listed in order of relevance, rather than the order it was posted, would it be best to put Pokémon Quiz segments in the XY series above or below the Who's that Pokémon segments? Maybe the Japanese segment Pokémon Quiz should be put above since it's the original version of the anime series, and the articles with Who's that Pokémon (the dub segment) above the Japanese segment were written by users who assume everyone is watching the English dub, and that no one watches the Japanese version (which is clearly not the case). PokémonGamer* 18:51, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
The episode SM029 is almost finished airing, and the Morelull in SM029 evolved into Shiinotic, which I believe means the page should be renamed as well, but I don't know how the page should look if the Pokémon evolved in the same episode. At the end of the episode, it was revealed the Morelull was apart of a huge pack of them. PokémonGamer* 10:18, June 8, 2017 (UTC)
He did. PokémonGamer* 11:14, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

(reset indent) As of June 10th, I'll be out of town for less than a week so I won't be active on the wiki until June 15th (around 3-5 PM EST or somewhere around there), although I will be able to watch the episode SM030 on that date. If you need to ask anything to any non-administrator on this wiki, there are other users you can ask them on their talk page during that time. The voting time on my request expires soon which is when it will be reviewed, so I just want to make sure the admins are aware so that they'll be able to review it then. PokémonGamer* 23:58, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

I'm back where I live, and thus will be more active on this wiki than I was in the past six days. I did make some edits on SM030's page though because I was still able to get internet when it was airing to go on this wiki.
(edit) I'm also changing XY024 to the 3rd episode of Kalos Quest. There is a very important reason for this, as the official website and DVD's list this as season 18's third episode, not season 17. It being a season 17 episode is based on how it was originally intended, instead of how it actually aired, and according to the official English site (since the "20 seasons" only apply to the dub), it's a season 18 episode. So before you think I'm doing this without talk page consensus, there have been discussions on XY078's and OI001's talk pages in which we use the official sources to determine the dub seasons for these, so we've already decided in the past that using the official sources is allowed. So it's pretty much a widespread correction to change it to the official season.
In conclusion, because the listing under season 17 is fan speculation based on our numbering rather than official listings of it as a season 18 episode which the pages have previously ignored, it would be okay to list it like that. However, I do object to renaming XY024 to XY051 as it was not retconned out of continuity in the Japanese version, and it's not like the Japanese version uses the whole "20 seasons" organizing, as they separate the XY series as "Pocket Monsters XY" (XY001-XY093) and "Pocket Monsters XY&Z" (XY094-XY140), so me listing XY024 under season 18 is based on the wiki's policy to use official confirmation, which is in this case solely based on the dub.
(edit 2) Just realized that XY024 is the second episode of season 18, as we try to combine the Japanese airing order and banned episodes into the English dub season's page. But I just want to have you understand what I'm doing, I don't want to get in any trouble as what I'm doing requires tons of editing to correct the seasons, but this is official. Official sources of the season organizing always take priority in cases like this. PokémonGamer* 23:00, June 15, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming that. Also, as you're one of the majority of users who have hardly any knowledge of Japanese, if you see anyone with a translation of episodes within hours of their airing on a Facebook page and with different font than PocketMonsters Fansubs, and long before PocketMonsters Fansubs releases their translation, please note that whoever is doing this has been doing this ever since the XY anime started in Japan and these translations are not done by professional subbers who have at least any good knowledge on the Japanese language, they are highly inaccurate translations that are a combination of machine translations and pure guesswork. They have just today posted a (presumably) highly inaccurate translation of SM030, although I haven't watched their translation yet. It would be best to ask me (who can translate from my own knowledge and dictionary without even touching Google Translate) or anyone else with at least some knowledge of Japanese what is going on in the scenes and dialogue, rather than assume this "translator"'s explanation was accurate. Many lines there might be accurate though like Satoshi saying "Thanks for the letter" according to these "translations", which I hear him saying "手紙ありがとう" to Gladio and it translates to that legitimately as I can verify, but it's still a machine translation, and machine translations are unreliable.
PocketMonsters Fansubs is translated by users who are well-versed in the Japanese language, as well as there being users on Serebii forums who know Japanese, although I wouldn't quote them on exact dialogue rather than simply the gist, as they do usually take liberties and refer to dialogue by what it would appear it's saying, instead of staying within line of what they're actually saying (thus making the fan translations semi-unreliable sources at times), such as the translations on XY088 and SM033's episode titles, which Bulbapedia staff are aware of.
I just want to make you aware about the inaccuracy of these inaccurate "translations" you may usually see on Facebook, in case you happen to come across early translations before PocketMonsters Fansubs or Serebii. PokémonGamer* 23:07, June 16, 2017 (UTC)
There is a vandal attempting to add profanity to pages that needs to be given a 3 day block. PokémonGamer* 02:50, June 17, 2017 (UTC)
And with what I was saying about the translations, it's good that you're using the pocketmonsters fansubs translations - like you said you're using - as they're good since you don't know Japanese (and it's good to use them in articles with missing info) - do rely on the pocketmonsters ones in most instances, as they are translated and checked by people who legitimately know Japanese. I'm just saying that there are other subbed versions of episodes that are not from pocketmonsters and are done by people who have zero knowledge of Japanese who use notorious machine translators such as Google Translate and/or outright guess the dialogue (such as this flawed translation of SM030's preview, which suggests the characters' narration says that Ash regularly trains Snowy instead of Lillie, and that Pikachu isn't any of his Pokémon, among others, when it's really saying "[...]Ash will have to train Snowy[...]") - Serebii mods suggest to avoid the non-pocketmonsters subs completely because people relying on them instead of pocketmonsters are more likely to make an inaccurate attempt to understand what's happening in the scenes - and they suggest to instead rely on translations from people who are fluent in the language (such as pocketmonsters), or otherwise have enough knowledge of the language to make an accurate judgment (me being the latter). PokémonGamer* 03:52, June 20, 2017 (UTC)
And I'm also letting an admin know that I've changed the Clemont and Cilan XY&Z special to fix something in the translation, and I don't think it needs talk page discussion if that part of the translation isn't even correct to start off with. Normally I would edit the page and update the translation on the episode guide, but since it's an undubbed special, the name is to go by its Japanese translation. Explanation is, the word "saikyou" does not mean "ultimate" or "best" - it is specifically a word referring to being the best of "strength" specifically, and the word "ultimate" is too vague to describe that. This is why I double check it if the translation comes from Serebii, as they tend to differ from the actual meaning of words and take freedom to go outside of that wording, and that doesn't really work out well - Bulbapedia does not consider Serebii a reliable source for translations as they tend to do this kind of thing a lot, even if it comes from someone who knows Japanese, namely Dephender on the Serebii forums (also because unlike us, Serebii has specifically asked Bulbapedia not to use his site as a source of information) - which is why Bulbapedia has translators on their staff with enough knowledge of Japanese to judge episode titles personally to verify them. Just leaving you aware how I'm sorting this out, and yeah I've double-checked Bulbapedia's translation so I know it's more accurate than Serebii's. PokémonGamer* 04:09, June 21, 2017 (UTC)


Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry. I was just trying to help. I only add the categories to match it on the locations. Didn't know it was at another section.--Jokeman20 (talk) 19:21, June 18, 2017 (UTC)

If this user is adding Spider Man content to this wiki, make sure to give them a 3 day block the next time they do it. I deleted the Spider Man content and locked the target names from creation to prevent them from creating it again as they had recreated the Spider Man page. PokémonGamer* 20:52, June 23, 2017 (UTC)

Alola Detective Laki

The iTunes character listings for Pokémon Sun & Moon volume 2 list this character's name as Laki. Also, it was correct about Noa's dub name being Nina and Shiron's dub name being Snowy, the character listings being known from before SM013, the episode that revealed them, aired, and Satoshi's dub name (as this is the English dub characters on iTunes) is listed as Ash. I think we can rename Lucky to Laki now because either a -

  • a.) it's the dub name, or;
  • b.) if it's not the dub name, it is a tentative dub name from the Japanese name and is thus an official romanization, which also falls in support of renaming it (even if Raki is originated from Lucky, it is still possible they intend for the English spelling of the Japanese name to be Laki, same as with Imajin from Doki Doki Panic whose name originates from the transliteration of the word "imagine" but is still officially romanized Imajin)

as the name comes from an official English source. If the dub name is different when the dub airs with Laki coming from the Japanese name, we can rename it yet again, it being the official Japanese romanization if the dub name is different. Abcboy on Bulbapedia had the dub names for those before the dub actually aired. The only reason Bulbapedia waits until the airing is because, they don't know if it's the dub name or if it's tentative from the official romanization (in which case they'll put it as the romanization), and they have a policy not to add trivia or create character pages from an episode until they have aired in the Japanese version (in this case, this policy is also carried on to the dub). However, we do it differently here, in which the official romanization is listed as the character's name for undubbed characters as well as the English dub name in its place when it becomes known, and Laki falls under either of those two, which is currently released as an iTunes name. PokémonGamer* 02:44, June 25, 2017 (UTC)


Some non-protag pokemon has shown obvious personality. Why can't we add info about their personality like Bulba? Diana Lover (talk) 07:04, June 28, 2017 (UTC)Diana loverDiana Lover (talk) 07:04, June 28, 2017 (UTC)

Fishing expert

Should we have an article for the fishing expert that will appear in the Yowashi episode? It's mentioned in TV Tokyo's longer hiragana-only summary (as つりめいじん tsuri meijin, tsuri meaning fishing, and meijin meaning expert or master). The word マスター is not used so it doesn't have to absolutely be "master" (whereas, Bulbapedia and Serebii decide to translate it as Master Fisherman) so that's why I decided to make my translation of 釣り名人 as "Fishing expert" so it doesn't confuse it with マスター. It's also mentioned in the cast listing (出演者) on the page, so it's not like it's a random background character to be unnotable for an article, and we do have articles for other notable unnamed characters on here. His voice actor according to the TV Tokyo site page is 羽佐間道夫 Michio Hazama in case you approve it and no one who thinks to use the TV Tokyo site for the voice actors like Bulb does beats me to creating it without the voice actor. PokémonGamer* 15:44, June 28, 2017 (UTC)

Just leaving this to notify an admin that I've changed Pokémon Black and White 2 Version to Pokémon Black and White Version 2. The credits of the games in question say that it is "Black/White Version 2" and not "Black/White 2 Version" - there's clearly nothing against it that would need to be brought to the talk page, as the official game names are not Pokémon Black 2 Version and Pokémon White 2 Version (contrary to what the wiki was insisting), they're meant to be read as Pokémon Black Version 2 and Pokémon White Version 2 to start off with, and my credits rips of the games which clearly say that it is obviously "Version 2" and not "2 Version". Bulbapedia uses version as plural, so they go by this name. We just go by "(both game names) (singular form of version)", as seen by how we don't put "version" in X/Y, ORAS, Sun/Moon, or UltraSun/UltraMoon, in which case this is how it's supposed to be named anyway. PokémonGamer* 19:59, June 28, 2017 (UTC)
This user uploaded a porn image at [[:File:CFzcIG9.jpg]] (which I have quickly went ahead and deleted) and vandalized the episode guide by inserting this image in a gallery, and they need to be blocked right away as porn is a serious offense and not only goes against this wiki's rules, but against the Wikia Terms of Use. Once again, I've went ahead and deleted that disgusting, inappropriate garbage but if you want to view it for the evidence left behind by that user, you may at your own discretion. PokémonGamer* 21:32, June 28, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for blocking the user. I have reported it to Wikia staff to request a global block against them for violating the terms of service. PokémonGamer* 21:46, June 28, 2017 (UTC)
This user has continued adding the same type of nonsense pages/images that I had to delete just a moment ago. When you wake up, can you block the user? And it has to be longer than 3 days, such as 1 or 2 weeks, as the user has been blocked for the same thing before. PokémonGamer* 01:46, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
And about that user who was uploading a porn image to this wiki, I just want to let you know that Wikia staff have responded and decided to globally block that user. PokémonGamer* 02:57, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
Please also keep in mind that the Pokémon that appeared in the Who's That Pokémon? segment in Japan for SM032 was Herdier, not Stoutland (and I saw the episode minutes ago on TV Tokyo as the torrent is not out yet), so if you see anyone reiterating Bulbapedia garbage that it was Stoutland or you see Stoutland as being in the WTP on Bulbapedia, the article here should still leave it at Herdier. Playerking95, who authored the horribly flawed "Hull" spelling for Haru's name is responsible for the false information that Stoutland appears in the SM032 WTP, and I don't want that to propagate.
Edit: Nevermind, Bulbapedia has corrected it. PokémonGamer* 10:49, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
If you see a user named Redosign, or his sockpuppet "Wild Kokochu" making insane edits, sometimes introducing deliberate factual errors onto the wiki, we may have to block him for 2 or 3 months on the next offense and build up from there. His current block is a one month block placed by Energy X. This user has been a consistent problem on Wikipedia as well, where they have recently been blocked for a day for their insane - i.e., disruptive - edits, and have been routinely insisting that they own some fake company named "Spirit International Tokyo" and that they are a TV Tokyo affiliate that wiped the master footage of the Porygon episode out of existence. This is false, as Hulu Japan has the pre-Porygon incident versions of episodes on their service except for IL001 (yes, I still pay 933 yen per month for that), and they have the next episode preview for the Porygon episode (at the end of episode 37) while putting up a notice that their company has intentionally excluded the Porygon episode skipping from 37 to 39 - so they did still receive the episode, meaning the companies still retain the master copy, despite the episode only meant to be aired once. (Edit: Wikipedia admin Widr blocked Tornsado permanently from Wikipedia, no need to worry about him on Wikipedia.) PokémonGamer* 02:52, June 30, 2017 (UTC)
Apart from my edit to my message above at the end, Energy X has also stated that if he makes another account on this wiki to block-evade, we should use this form to send an email ticket to Wikia for help on the situation, as all we can do is permanently block them. Energy X has permanently blocked Redosign II, as a sockpuppet of his main account. On Wikipedia, I can open up a sockpuppet investigation, which means a CheckUser there will come and block the user if they have the same IP, and on Wikipedia, sockpuppets are to be blocked permanently (same as with here). PokémonGamer* 17:34, June 30, 2017 (UTC)

Song name

Saw your recent edits to the episode pages. According to the TV Tokyo website and the onscreen credits, the "20th Anniversary" label is apart of the song's name for that version, not just the disambiguation labeling on this wiki for which we use the {{!}} template. Therefore, with that in mind would it still be labeled that in the infobox or just as "Aim to Be a Pokémon Master" with {{!}} template? To be honest, I don't have a preference towards either side, I'm just asking about this. PokémonGamer* 20:34, June 30, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Yes, it's same song, different anime clips, and the -20th Anniversary- part is already indicated by the page name it links to. This means same would have to go with Aim to Be a Pokémon Master (Whiteberry) (which is linked the same way, I checked). PokémonGamer* 22:15, June 30, 2017 (UTC)
Also, as you're one of the users who adds information to upcoming episode articles, in case you want to watch one of those "second previews" [me putting "second preview" in quotes because it's a discredited term per Dephender and I on Serebii], they air at 8:28 AM-8:29 AM on TV Tokyo's weekly Sunday Pokénchi program (or whatever is the equivalent of those times in your time zone as you can check with a quick Google search) in case you want to watch them as they may include characters and moves, if you find move debuts and characters that haven't yet been added on the page, because you are always the one who does that if no one else has done it yet. I'm just letting you know as you have told me you're able to watch TV Tokyo, whereas you don't do that when a new episode is airing because you're always at school while it's airing in your time zone. I also watch the Sunday morning program on what is Saturday in my time zone at 7 PM (in my time zone that is, it's a different time zone for you since you're Dutch), but in case I miss any characters or moves, that's when it's on if you want to watch Pokénchi's preview clip for whatever is the next episode. PokémonGamer* 01:44, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

SM035 and SM036

Please keep in mind, these are not to be created yet. We are still awaiting confirmation on the titles, and all we have is a random poster on a Japanese textboard 2ch. I know where Serebii obtains scans from and the titles have not been confirmed by any scans, and Serebii and Bulbapedia are not good enough proof because they take titles that are from posters on 2ch that are normally to be taken with a grain of salt, as they post absolutely no source. If you see anyone adding them, please make sure to revert them until we have a scan. (edit: Additionally the titles sound fake as well so I'll post them in userspace and ask others to wait until they are confirmed to post.) Just so you don't think any new titles are confirmed and that we're missing them on the wiki - all the confirmed titles have pages here - as you've said you're the one who adds those if no one else has done it yet. PokémonGamer* 16:42, July 5, 2017 (UTC)

As for Rystrouse on SM034's page, he has a history of speculating plots for episodes that have no officially revealed details other than title and/or image, just to let you know as Energy X has blocked that user for a week in the past for speculating plots for the same reason in case he does it again. In which case karubiimu, some guy on Twitter from Japan, has posted an image with a summary on it, so I went ahead and added details from it I translated to the page. PokémonGamer* 23:03, July 5, 2017 (UTC)
The troll Slackjon001 is trying to remove talk page content and edit war with me. He's also going insane, leaving a rude message on Energy X's page containing swear words and posting an extremely rude comment on his own user page that he hates me and Energy X, all of which I've reverted. He's the same user who created the Spider and Iron Man pages. Maybe this user should be blocked for 2 weeks? PokémonGamer* 00:12, July 6, 2017 (UTC)
I have locked their user and talk pages for 3 hours to prevent them from being used for excessive vandalism by the troll until an admin blocks the user, and so there's no attention given to that troll. Sorry for doing this, but this is the only thing I've got as a temporary solution until you're active to block this active ongoing troll in your timezone, and that's the only thing I can do for now close to blocking him. PokémonGamer* 00:19, July 6, 2017 (UTC)
It seems me locking some of the pages this troll was targeting for a short amount of time worked (and by the way, it was temporary, because they were using their user/talk pages as well as my talk page for vandalism, so I was trying to give very short term protections for those such as 30 minutes and 3 hours, so that it's not protected for too long). Though it would be best to block the troll for now to prevent them from going forward with this. PokémonGamer* 04:06, July 6, 2017 (UTC)
It was someone from VSTF, named Ripto (then a series of numbers I can't remember off the top of my head). I reported it to the VSTF on their wiki's vandalism report page as you and Energy X weren't awake in the time zone when it was occurring. If you find vandalism on another wiki there's no active admin to do anything about, remember that this page can be used to report it to VSTF and they have the admin tools as well across Wikia, including removing content and blocking users, along with extended tools such as CheckUser, which they can use for cross-wiki vandals making sockpuppets to continue vandalizing. PokémonGamer* 11:55, July 6, 2017 (UTC)


If you see the picture I uploaded have the same frame as Bulbapedia, just a notice that this is not anything that's being copied from Bulbapedia and sent to me from another user, and I know you trust that I'm not copying from Bulbapedia myself. It's from a thumbnail on The Pokémon Company's official YouTube channel (, which is a source that Bulbapedia uses for some images. The episode SM033 is on Hulu Japan and I've watched the HD SM034 preview from there at the end as they show the actual preview instead of the first airing only MS020 preview, but I cannot get any images from their site streaming for the time being as Hulu has introduced a copy protection html5 video player DRM (as stated by posters on Japan's 2ch textboard), meaning I can watch it, but it'll show a black screen if I try taking a screenshot from it.

You may also find Bulbapedia users outright copying images from us. This sort of thing has been going on for a long, long time now. The initial version of their SM009 image was copied from the one I took a screenshot of from Hulu Japan from the preview at the end of the episode SM008 as they show the next episode preview segment on every one of their releases on its legal 933 yen/month streaming service. The webmaster of Bulbagarden, Kogoro, has publicly posted their Bulbapedia email address on their user page (, where complaints of plagiarism may be sent if you see Bulbapedia copying from us (and you can check the timestamps on Bulb's image and they'll be later than our uploads if they are copied from us), and I have seen Bulbapedia users egregiously copy images from those that Kyurem147 has uploaded. They do have a policy against copying from us, however they rarely enforce it. They have enforced it once by deleting an image that BigDocFan copied from me for the dub Who's that Pokémon? segment for SM014 and warned that user, stating the image was "stolen from another fansite" (they didn't mention which specifically, but it's clear it's this wiki Abcboy on there was talking about, as I was the one who made and uploaded that image here). PokémonGamer* 04:27, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

This user has uploaded a sexual image of Serena (which I've deleted from the wiki), placed it on her page, and vandalized the page as well, which Misch60 has reverted for obvious reasons. Can you give the user a 3 day or 1 week block? Maybe 1 week given that it was an inappropriate picture. PokémonGamer* 17:30, July 7, 2017 (UTC)
Also, if you see users posting SM035 and SM036, that's okay now. DragonSpore18 found the source: so it's confirmed now. PokémonGamer* 18:31, July 8, 2017 (UTC)
Rystrouse readded the speculated plot for SM035. Please keep the one he added for SM036, because the summary does say that, even if he was just guessing. I also want to assure you there is no word for "beautiful" mentioned in the original untranslated Japanese title - I don't even have a single clue where Serebii got "beautiful" from and Dephender, Serebii's translator and Super Moderator on there was putting that in the title as a mere assumption, so it can be left as is. Bulb's translation is also based on Serebii's, as Playerking95, the non-Japanese knowing "translator" on there "translates" by copying other's translations and swapping around the wording. He's the one where the incorrect romanization "Hull" came from. PokémonGamer* 20:15, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

MS021 announced

This scan I found announces a 21st movie set for 2018 which doesn't yet have a title. I'll type out what the scan says and translate it: 劇場版 最新作 - 2018年夏公開決定! - 劇場でまってよる! (my translation: It's been decided that the newest "Pokémon the Movie" is set to premiere in 2018! See it in theaters then!). I don't think this is enough information to support an article for, so I'll create one in my userspace (link: User:ThePokémonGamer/MS021). And no, you don't have to reply to this, I'm just letting you know what I'm doing and that when there's enough information, that's what should be moved to mainspace. PokémonGamer* 04:40, July 15, 2017 (UTC)

Wild Kokochu

The user Redosign is socking as Wild Kokochu. Maybe you can block the sockpuppet permanently for abusing multiple accounts? If he makes another account, Energy X has said we need to report this to Wikia staff. Also, the text box on the image for BW019 is not a TV rating unlike what he's insisting, it says 地デジの準備はお早めに. Both text boxes that appeared on the broadcast are referring to Japan ending analog broadcasting on July 24, 2011, and switching to digital broadcasting, which said 7月アナログ放送終了 地デジの準備はお早めに meaning that "In July, analog broadcasting will be discontinued. We're setting up terrestrial digital broadcasting early." PokémonGamer* 06:15, July 17, 2017 (UTC)


Like last month, I'll be away for a few days. If you see any titles revealed while I'm gone, then make sure to follow the usual procedures of waiting until you find a picture of a magazine that mentions it to post it (rather than just going by Serebii, even if Serebii claims it comes from Newtype without a picture) so there's no fake titles spreading on the wiki (and if Serebii has an inaccurate or vague translation, because Serebii is notorious for those sometimes as I have noticed and as has been stated by Bulbapedia staff, I understand the source text to come up with any better one or better wording, for example how easy it is to come up with a better wording for SM027's translation which is from Serebii). I'll be able to watch SM034 on the TV Tokyo channel, but I don't know how good the internet is to be able to be on the wiki to edit it, and I certainly won't be able to get images while I'm gone for a few days. PokémonGamer* 21:59, July 19, 2017 (UTC)


Wow... Um, things have changed. How do I upload files now? --Mario101luigi202peach404 22:05, July 24, 2017 (UTC)


I rediscussed what you were mentioning here with Energy X, and according to what he responded, we are going to be sticking with the moves that Iceice33 made before (unlike this time, that time was without approval) in the future. The reason that we are moving this and not XY024 is because this one was retconned out of continuity and treated as an entirely new episode without Hiun City being mentioned in either the original Japanese version nor Castelia City in the dubbed English version. XY024 was not retconned, and aired as-is later on, with that in the storyline kept, which is why Bulb is considering the fishing episode BW037 in their numbering because it was retconned to air and be placed in canon as a different episode than the originally intended BW026 version, should that have aired as this is because the fishing episode and the Kuzumo/Dramidoro undersea castle episode is not the same scenario. Just wanted to let you know this is being done with approval, because we're going by canon storyline here, we're not just going to number episodes in the order they were originally announced, and if so we would've considered BW003 as BW001 (we shouldn't, nor do I support that) because that was the first one announced.

Additionally, TV Tokyo did not officially announce the postponed cut of the fishing episode (the BW026 one) on its site unlike the Plasma episodes, which still to this day haven't aired, further proving it's not BW026 in canon, because the people who post magazines online are people who read the magazines before they're officially out for sale (basically leaking them), and that's not what they would've had announced in the final cut for this episode in the series because TV Tokyo's online timetable goes 8 days ahead. PokémonGamer* 23:53, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Additionally, I'm letting you know I'm protecting these from moving because we don't want new users moving them back and forth without approval, given that there have been several moves over this based on different viewpoints, because this numbering is final as discussed with Energy X. PokémonGamer* 00:21, July 25, 2017 (UTC)
Also we have to remove the listing of this city as the location, because Hiun City was retconned out of the final version of the episode that actually aired, so officially, it takes place within an unnamed filler episode town, so I've done that now. PokémonGamer* 13:50, July 25, 2017 (UTC)
And yeah, there will always be fake sites claiming you can watch whatever movie, I come across that a lot, sometimes even asking for your credit card details to purchase a "subscription" but of course it's illegitimate. Even if it's not viewable there, the user was thus adding a spam link by linking it. The only legitimate way to watch the movie until the dub is to catch it in theaters. Of course, this means actually being located within Japan buying movie tickets in the country so you can watch it (something that I may plan on doing in the future), but if not you have to wait until the dub, any home video release, or wait until it's aired on TV Tokyo (as with what happened with the Magearna movie). For example, some American fan of the franchise named Dogasu has learned Japanese around a decade ago and after having been in Japan for a year while Advanced Generation was still going on in the original version (of course, not the dub), he now actually resides in the country. PokémonGamer* 13:56, July 25, 2017 (UTC)


  • August 10: イワンコといのちの遺跡の守り神! (My translation, as Serebii doesn't have one yet: Rockruff and the Ruins of Life's Guardian Deity!) it's confirmed too: In case anyone sees this wants to create it since I'm out of town. (edit: I created it, just needed that in case anyone else saw it and wanted to create it, I don't have too much good internet here, and cool that magazine also reveals the next Cocotama episode on that date is こころとのぞみ夏休み, aka Kokoro and Nozomi Summer Vacation) PokémonGamer* 14:39, July 25, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks and yeah, was planning to add category in next edit, because it wasn't letting me add it from the editor, but thanks for doing that. I've posted this title on Serebii forums and have notified the webmaster of Serebii about it with my translation there as well. PokémonGamer* 15:04, July 25, 2017 (UTC)


This user is continuing to add speculation to articles, such as the newly announced SM037 episode. PokémonGamer* 19:30, July 25, 2017 (UTC)

Update: I'm now back after being out of town for six days, so I can be more active on this wiki now. PokémonGamer* 23:40, July 26, 2017 (UTC)
Also, do you think it would be necessary to have up to date remastered images? Bulb has this policy, and it works just as well as having up to date generation move images (of course, we won't use the update template, we can just go through and change all the images with their better remastered forms, since this is all just about remastered versions). TV Tokyo is airing a series called "'Pocket Monsters' Anime Premier 10" with 10 episodes of Pocket Monsters that will be airing their digitally remastered 2017 forms. The first episode of it that's out is the first episode of the original anime (IL001), where Satoshi begins his journey with Pikachu, and the next one is set to air on July 30, the Butterfree release episode. So I can change the IL001 images with the remastered versions and we could use those for any episodes that have remastered forms instead of posting the original 1997 versions (or at worst, the dub and the post-1997 versions). This is the program detail information from TV Tokyo's website for reference, so it's always best for us to check back there for info on episode images we'll be able to get remastered versions of. And this is the one announcing that the Butterfree episode is the next one they'll air remastered. And if the numbering skips over the Porygon episode not recognizing it, I'll add it to the list of sources that do and don't recognize it in the IL038 trivia section (because the official website calls IL039 as episode 38, whereas Japanese cable channels like Kids Station, and services Amazon Prime and Hulu recognize it by skipping from IL037 to IL039). PokémonGamer* 00:09, July 27, 2017 (UTC)


Could you change this Leafage?--Kyurem147 (talk) 17:58, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Opening and ending songs

In the Amazon Prime release of the Iris VS Ibuki special, where it is considered a Best Wishes episode special, the opening is Summerly Slope and the ending is Let's Join Hands. And in case you are wondering, the preview shown at the end of the Dent and Takeshi special is a preview for the Iris VS Ibuki special and the reason they didn't show it on first airing is because it was airing months from then instead of the next episode, and the preview only has Iris saying the title during the clips and Iris narrates that special's preview throughout (there's no title card shown), though there is no preview shown at the end of that special. This is no surprise, as the episode having no opening is due to being a one hour special that originally aired during the XY series, and the episode's ending being X Strait Y Scenery on the first airing is also for said reason. Bulbapedia (where you got the opening and ending info from, either that or is also not a reliable source as anyone can edit it and whoever added that in is basing it solely on the first airing, and not listing this due to the staff not knowing this info is also not a reliable source either. Thus, the opening and ending being listed as such is just the result of being aired during the XY series. However, as the Amazon Prime release shows, the main opening and ending themes are Summerly Slope and Let's Join Hands. Maybe we can change these to those normal themes and note in the trivia about the status of the opening and ending theme in original broadcasts only? Because that's how Bulb's Japanese affiliate has it. We can maybe list Summerly Slope and Let's Join Hands as the opening and ending theme, and put this in the trivia: "Due to this episode originally airing as a one hour special during the XY series, X Strait Y Scenary is used as the ending theme on the original airing instead of the themes Summerly Slope and Let's Join Hands which are normally used for this episode." PokémonGamer* 22:08, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

And just so it doesn't cause confusion, I didn't change the image due to the logo (that's fine, it's not a problem to be in the image), but the one I changed it to better matches the title and doesn't have all that impact effect on the move, which can confuse readers that haven't seen the episode yet, as we need to have the template image to be one that the reader can understand the main idea without context and a move making impact to where only alternately-colored Crimgan can be seen doesn't do that well and being placed over a green background makes it slightly less noticeable what's going on. PokémonGamer* 22:25, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
I've been thinking about mentioning the original broadcast versions, and the actual main themes that usually play in the half hour versions seen in reruns and on demand services such as Japanese Hulu and DVD, in the infobox together, but I need to find a way to link it. If I try using the trick with closing the brackets inside the parameter, use a slash or a line break, and listing the original broadcast theme, it breaks the format of the infobox, which is a problem. If nothing can be done to fix this (by that I mean other than editing the infobox then going back to edit all 900+ pages or adding a parameter for original broadcasts only opening/ending which I don't know if the latter should even be necessary), then the only thing we can resort to is listing the main opening and ending in the infobox and list the original broadcast only opening and ending in the trivia. PokémonGamer* 09:58, July 28, 2017 (UTC)
Edit: I see what you're talking about, and yeah, not specific to the infobox listing for the OP/ED songs. Just got confused there. PokémonGamer* 10:21, July 28, 2017 (UTC)
Actually, I was only confused it whether "noting it" meant in the infobox or in the trivia, but that's okay. PokémonGamer* 20:08, July 28, 2017 (UTC)


This user you blocked for 3 days is an obvious sockpuppet of that multiple account abusing troll I've been mentioning. He's been making trollish remarks such as how I "stink" and erasing my talk page, and this is a repeat pattern across what appears to be any sockpuppet he makes. I am familiar with this sockpuppeteer. Just want to have you aware. PokémonGamer* 19:45, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Forget that, I might contact staff to support the sock being blocked from all of Wikia, because this is an evasion of a global block in violation of the Wikia Terms of Use, not just something that a permanent block from a single wiki will do much about, as the user would still be free to vandalize other wikis. PokémonGamer* 19:49, July 28, 2017 (UTC)


Considering this is a rude username, the user has been blocked forever. Energy X 20:21, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Just to let you know, if it's a vandal and a user with a vulgar or offensive username like that, it's best to block the user permanently for Unacceptable username, but don't leave their talk page open if it's a confirmed vandal, because they may misuse it for vandalism. If they have an avatar pic issue such as the pic containing obscene or dirty content, then it can also be blocked for the avatar and leave their talk page open so that they can change the avatar on another wiki and come back to this one to request an unblock complying with their avatar change. Of course if they come back but they've requested a rename to Wikia with an acceptable username, they can have their block be changed to temporary. PokémonGamer* 05:27, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Clemontic Gear

For the invention used in the Citron and Dent special episode thing only existent in the original version, there is indeed an official name for it. I've looked on several Japanese fan sources and forum boards and he calls it 「全自動釣り竿メカ"大漁君"&"飛びます君"」So I've checked and that is what I hear him say it as in the episode (Note: I don't have access to the Japanese closed captioning, as that's only shown on TV), and also, it all translates to (deep breath, let me see if I can word this good enough in English) Fully Automatic Fishing Rod Mecha for Large Fish Catching-kun, and High Soaring-kun. Should we maybe change the image name too? Because I don't know where in the world "Fishing Rod" just randomly came from, and apparently, it is just some random out-there fanmade name made by users on Bulbapedia who fake having knowledge of the Japanese language, and just base it on pure guesswork and fanfiction translations rather than what it's officially named, and we do not want to make it appear as though that nonsense mere "Fishing Rod" name is a legitimate translation of the original Japanese name of what it is, as the name is far more than "Fishing Rod" and if it was merely 釣り竿, I would maybe see why we're naming it that, but it's not just that, it actually has a full name. PokémonGamer* 22:42, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

I'm working on deleting the full episodes off the wiki, notifying you just so we don't end up doing it at the same time and confusing which ones are yet to be deleted. PokémonGamer* 12:49, July 30, 2017 (UTC)
Update: All full episode videos have been cleared off the wiki. Didn't take too long. Also deleted the page that user created mentioning all the full episodes they were uploading. PokémonGamer* 13:00, July 30, 2017 (UTC)

Alpha Omega Plus

This user is still attempting to add small, unapproved categories to pages. PokémonGamer* 02:09, August 1, 2017 (UTC)


I found these titles in a magazine page (I forget where the link is, but I mentioned it in an edit summary and remembered seeing it, and it included a few pictures from the episodes), and it reveals titles throughout August. Just to let you know, I'm making vague references to certain details for SM039's summary, because I have the feeling where I know what the words mean but it's hard to reword it with the same meaning (SM037's summary in the magazine, in terms of the original Japanese text, is full of basic words so it's easier for me to translate), so I'm making these vague mentions to certain details so that I'm only putting ones that I know won't turn out to be false later on, whereas the Japanese to English translator for Serebii tends to make more in depth explanations than what is actually mentioned by the summary, which isn't always proven to be reliable, where they're assuming what part of it's saying than what it actually says. I just want to let you know why my translations in the synopsis details are different explanations from Serebii's, so you don't assume anything's missing. PokémonGamer* 09:48, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

That, and I made another section above this one. PokémonGamer* 09:49, August 1, 2017 (UTC)
I see, and this user named UnknownKnight1 has attempted to vandalize the Legendary Pokémon page. Maybe you can give them a 3 day block? And yeah, Pokemonfan201 has reverted it, which I thank them for. PokémonGamer* 21:50, August 1, 2017 (UTC)
Nevermind, they've been blocked by Energy X. PokémonGamer* 00:00, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Type: Null

I think maybe we should hold off on listing the Type: Null in SM037 as Gladio's until it is confirmed, regardless of what Serebii or other sites state, because they can be likely assuming it - because it could easily be a wild Pokémon that plays a major role in the episode (as with one of the episodes in XY&Z I remember from last year) or one of the Pokémon they're referring to under Lychee's (linking it to provide where the Pokémon list is for that character). It could easily be that she owns the Pokémon and that's why it appears in the cast list, and then Gladio catches one of his own and it appears in a later episode. (and yes, Lychee and Gladio are both mentioned on that list, it never mentions [Trainer] (no) [Pokémon], it just lists the Pokémon species, so for example, it wouldn't say グラジオのタイプ:ヌル [Gladio's Type: Null], it just says タイプ:ヌル [Type: Null]

Edit: I know that we use English names in pages. I only use the English names in the editing box on mainspace pages or on walkthroughs and use the Japanese ones elsewhere generally, I follow the Japanese version of the anime and am more familiar with them and I'm more familiar with the Japanese names for Gen VII stuff (and it's not like I even how to pronounce all the English names), but for just those cases in articles where it's necessary to use the English names, I'm careful to use the English names there. Just like how I don't always care about spelling Pokémon as "Pokemon" or "pokemon" on other sites but I know that on wiki pages, to spell it "Pokémon", so there's no problem with that. PokémonGamer* 04:12, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

Also, on a different subject than the Type: Null confirmation thing, I know that the colored font does not appear on my name to identify the user groups I have. The reason is because the accented E character (é) in my name cannot be recognized by Wikia for coloring on my username. Either it could be possible to let the staff know and request attempts to make it compatible, or if it can't be made compatible, I'm fine with it, if at least the fact that I'm in the user group is able to work properly to be listed elsewhere, such as the wiki's Hall of Fame staff page and me making mention of it on my user page. PokémonGamer* 04:58, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
SM036 has aired and the preview for SM037 has aired as well, confirming that it belongs to him, so the information in the first message is now irrelevant. I made a line split to split the section above from the relevant info. PokémonGamer* 10:26, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, it's listed on the Hall of Fame. I've contacted Wikia Support and I have it set to appear in my email so when I get a response, I can see if anything can be done about it. PokémonGamer* 14:19, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
As for the source that there's a possible evolution coming up on this page, Lychee in the latest episode said "イワンコ、もしかしたら進化な近いのかもしれんね。" according to (at least) what I heard her say (Hulu Japan doesn't have closed captions, so that might not be 100% correct, but that gets the point across what I heard her saying), but that means "Perhaps Iwanko, by chance, could possibly evolve in the near future." The other characters mention about it evolving after Lychee's line and Satoshi turns to Iwanko to talk about its possible future evolution, and the narrator even mentions it in his line at the end of the latest episode. So it is officially canon that it may evolve in another episode, not just unsourced. At least we have users like me (and another user on here who I know lives in Japan) that can confirm such things rather than needing to trust Bulbapedia's claims.
Because I know we need proof it may evolve to others not to insert unsourced speculation, and we already have the canon evidence of the characters mentioning it. The template, Future Evolution states for instances in which a Pokémon might evolve, and the characters and Lychee already stated that it might evolve, similar to how Gojika's prediction of the future can be treated as canon because it's stated by a character. Maybe we could put it on the Ash's Rockruff page because the main characters have already stated it is likely to evolve, as with what the template says and this is properly sourced and evidence supported beliefs about the Pokémon evolving, not just fan speculation. PokémonGamer* 20:16, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

Hey Lord,

Hey Utkar22 has spotted a spammer named The Phonix gaurdian = Zach from Clash of Clans wikis can you block this user for spamming from there?

Also sorry i can't link it is however on my talk page so you notice i gotta check other pokemon community wikis to see if he's spammed there, So you notice sir Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 21:47, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
  I see i got your message and okay then, I'll ask Utkar to see if he can give me an actual link of the user since he's on multiple wikis doing this. So you notice thanks for the message and Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 06:51, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Name font

As for the coloring and font on my username, Wikia staff have responded and have stated that that this coding: User:ThePok%C3%A9monGamer is needed instead of User:ThePokémonGamer. Can you add that to the MediaWiki pages then? (I know you said I don't have to mention every single thing on your talk page, but I'm only mentioning this because I mainly posted this to mention the username display thing, just to let you know we have an unconfirmed title for SM041 and I hope it's real, the summary's up and translated to prevent Rystrouse from adding speculation in the future on that page) PokémonGamer* 21:20, August 5, 2017 (UTC)

^That and this user is a sockpuppet who needs to be blocked permanently for abusing multiple accounts. He's stated on other wikis that his intention is to "bully" other users, a word commonly used by the person who owns the sock account, and he blanks my talk page all the time. PokémonGamer* 21:45, August 5, 2017 (UTC)
It may take time to refresh. I tried refreshing and it didn't work. They did say if that didn't work, to try to send them another message and they'll research the issue. I'll try that. PokémonGamer* 11:12, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Dusk Lycanroc

This is confirmed. It's real. And Ash's Rockruff is shown evolving into this kind of Lycanroc in the second preview of the upcoming episode. Diana Lover (talk) 02:02, August 6, 2017 (UTC)Diana loverDiana Lover (talk) 02:02, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Keep in mind, if you see a user named Playerking95 getting into edit wars with me over here on this wiki to cause disruption just to baselessly call me a troll and stir up drama in the edit summary, he might need to be temporarily blocked in future instances this happens. And the permanent bans he's mentioning on those sites were not even my main accounts, speaking of which he has been legit permanently banned from the Bulbagarden Archives for issues with his attitude against other users (and as I stated when you were on Tumblr, he has been going around on multiple sites to bother me and create multi-posting flame wars while swearing at me, although I've been ignoring it pretty much, this has been going on for over a year, nothing recent, even a mod on Serebii is personally against him for other reasons such as how he "translates" by word-swapping around others translations and claiming them as his own). PokémonGamer* 12:23, August 6, 2017 (UTC)
Nevermind, I checked the edit, it wasn't an edit war, but if you see him start swearing at me in the edit summary or anywhere else on the wiki, that's what should be watched out for. PokémonGamer* 12:38, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Production staff

Just like episode titles, I think we should wait until there are pictures of the scans before adding production staff too, because just like the episode titles, it could have easily been faked by whoever posted the info on the site. I think we should also wait for source images of staff lists just like how we do for episode titles, especially if the content was leaked and the magazine is not officially out yet (because the thing with CoroCoro reveals is that usually, people read leaked copies before they are officially out for sale, that's what they mean by "CoroCoro leaking", it happens all the time before it's officially out for sale), because they can make up fake leaks very easily (I think we should also be careful if it's the day the content was officially released, because they can still make up false info to those who are not willing to purchase the magazine issue and get others to believe it). I think the rule to wait for titles to be confirmed should also apply to cast lists, that we should wait until there are sourced pictures that confirm it (as leaks are not confirmed as leaks unless we have pictures of the leak in question) or if it's officially out, wait for someone on the wiki to buy the magazine [or] issue in question (of course, it's not something that most users here are able to do living outside of Japan unless there's a way to have it shipped overseas but it'll be too late by the time it's fully shipped and arrived, I've purchased many things many things from Japan for years such as Japanese gaming consoles via overseas shipping methods and it's taken weeks to a month for example to arrive in my country). That's so we are not inadvertently spamming false information if it turns out that the info is fake all along. Serebii and use unconfirmed titles for example, as well as a variety of other wikis and sites (which is commonly how propaganda titles spread), but neither Serebii nor nor Bulbapedia are official, trustworthy sources with this kind of stuff. They use the rationale that "there's a summary and cast list, so it must be real". Now SM035 and SM036 sounded similar to fake titles we've had in the past before they got confirmed, but SM041's title and summary (if you can read the original Japanese text and understand what it's saying, which only people like me can do), it sounds like something that can be far more easily faked than the episodes SM035 and SM036 (which are real and have aired by now). And yeah, it's not like we even have a picture of SM041, so I don't know whether it's real or not.

I've sent an email message to the Pokémon Company in Japan asking them if the title is real or not (I'm honestly not sure if they provide info on that kind of stuff, but anything's worth a shot), and yeah, it's taken them around 24 hours to get back to me before.

In Japan, it's currently very late at night like around 3 AM so it'll take some time for them to respond to it. And yeah, they don't support contacting in any other language than Japanese (see for info) so I had to speak Japanese in there (and they also require you to type your name in katakana and convert it to kanji characters). They say in English "Our services are operated in Japanese only. We will not be able to reply to inquires in languages other than Japanese." (弊社が運営しております各窓口は、日本語のみの対応となり、日本語以外でのお問い合わせには返信を差し上げておりません。) and say the same in Chinese and Korean below that.

Another thing, while we may use leaked information on articles if they are confirmed leaks (like things that have a title and scheduled air date, as with XY001 and XY002's American title and air date being leaked), I don't think we should bring up trivia relating to unofficial leaks occurring. XY001 and XY002 having their scheduling and title leaked may be considered a reliable leak, but I don't think we should mention the title being revealed on September 22, 2013 just because it's a leak, I only think it should be notable for a trivia point if it was officially revealed. If we mentioned leaks in the trivia, then we are just randomly considering it notable for any instance of any random person on the internet hacking and breaching the TV network company's system to obtain information unauthorized as notable - therefore I don't think it should be notable unless it was officially revealed. Notable instances would be like XY024 for example, as it had its dub title officially revealed - although by accident - on May 20, 2014 by the Turner Broadcasting site, therefore it was revealed six months prior to the Japanese airing (the actual November 20th airing) and that would be considered notable. Another notable instance would be SM001 and SM002, which got their dub titles officially revealed, confirmed and announced by the UK broadcaster of Pokémon, CITV as the TV guide online goes nearly 10 days or something like that ahead and the episode was set to air 3 days after the Japanese version. This actually makes sense because we know for sure that the episodes are dubbed and finished around a month or two prior to the Japanese airing - which is why Theresa Buchheister was able to confirm having completed A Watershed Moment! as her final dub episode worked on, the English dub of the Brigarron episode, before the Japanese title was even announced. However, I don't think we should consider cases like Rocking Kalos Defenses! (one where the English dub title for it was leaked from Cartoon Network internal data before the announcement of the original Japanese title) as notable, because they were leaked by an unofficial source, not anything official and of interest (if you remember, that was the one where we were hesitant to add the English title for it, because it's the first time an English title has been leaked days before the original Japanese title was known). A random fan out there leaking a title from the companies should not be considered notable for a trivia point IMO. PokémonGamer* 18:11, August 6, 2017 (UTC)


sorry. just forgot.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWikiOddish (talkcontribs)


I'm just going to go by what Energy X said about Kaki's Garagara, and I suggested that we wait for the ones other than Flame Wheel to actually be confirmed. I've said that I'm not crazy about this, as the alleged use of Bonemerang could easily be an improvised Bone Club if it was not called out, and Shadow Bone was not called out, so it's hard to tell if has a unique animation. While that one is exclusive to Alolan Garagara as I have heard, it has still yet to be confirmed, and Serebii mentioning Bonemerang, contrary to popular belief, does not make it automatically confirmed or true, as Serebii is an unofficial fansite, and I've even been able to find information before him (i.e., the fake initial titles for SM030/SM031, Lychee's Dainose, and even the episode SM037 and its confirming scan) because he just works off of what fans pass over to him and stuff he finds from other sources, so it's hard to tell what's true and what's not with that site, and if one knows how to read Japanese script like me, it's easy to sort out through some of it. He said we should just sit and wait so if the moves Shadow Bone or Bonemerang are called out in a later episode they can then be added. All we can say is that Flame Wheel is confirmed because it has a unique animation and it's the only move that does as its description says in the games and anime. I got the information about the distortions in this confirmation from Bulbapedia, but I still rewatched the scenes for myself and I can see what the point is. So if it does get confirmed in a later episode, it can be undeleted and put back, but for now, we need to wait.

As for moves that are identified in the dub's closed captioning, we only consider moves fully confirmed if they were confirmed in the episode through such methods or if the Japanese closed captioning says it. The Japanese version has closed captioning, but it's only on TV, because on legal streaming sources such as Hulu, I cannot access it (although Netflix in Japan does have closed captioning for the Sekiei League episodes on there, and I'm able to access Japanese Netflix, as Netflix worldwide is a service I pay for monthly, as with Japanese Hulu/American Hulu, due to Hulu being available only in Japan and the United States, but for those, they're counted as separate services, so I pay for both to access the content on both). For users outside of Japan, there are posters on the 2chan forum board (a Japanese board site similar to 4chan) that post images that have closed captioning lines in them.

The thing is, for the dub, the closed captioning is far easier to access because the FCC in the United States which is the country where I live mandates closed captioning as a legal requirement, including in places online where content from the TV show is shown online (such as on iTunes, Google Play, and Watch Disney XD). However Hulu in Japan has no closed captioning, meaning there's no setting on there where I can turn on Japanese closed captioning and view the episode with the captions because Japan apparently doesn't require it under law, even for the Sekiei League episodes (Netflix Japan has the Rougela episode/the Beauty and the Beach episode/the Miniryuu episode IL035, and all other banned episodes except for IL038, the Porygon episode which only aired once).

All we can say for now is that Flame Wheel is the only one confirmed, due to it fitting the criteria as a unique move animation. If the other ones get confirmed, they may be put back. Shadow Bone in the manga is also confirmed because the dialogue box mentioned it and called it out.

I think if it's only in the dub, we should say that it's "dub only" in the hover text in the gallery and put one that's confirmed in the Japanese version in the template, because there are moves that have been identified differently in the dub. Bulbapedia accepts dub move identifications as official in the Japanese version, but here, I think if it was not mentioned in the Japanese version, it's not canon and it's only a dub edit if it's only in the dub.

PokémonGamer* 10:05, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

Just the same as with dub titles leaking unofficially, I don't think CoroCoro or any other magazine leaking or any other illegal method of obtaining information such as datamining should be mentioned on a Pokémon species page. While leaks of magazines ahead of their official release date (i.e., leaks of magazines that are going to be released on the 15th of the month that are normally supposed to release when the Pokémon has actually been recently released or announced) are popular news topics in the Pokémon fandom (thus why you hear a lot of "CoroCoro leaks, reveals this" or "CoroCoro leaks, reveals that" tossed around a lot), I don't think it should be the type of thing we mention on the pages specifically. Volcanion was mentioned in the title officially on the same date the magazine leaked, but the Pokémon as a species itself was announced officially days later. While it may be used as a source to support the creation of a page such as Magearna or Volcanion, the date that someone just goes out there, steals a paper of the magazine around the 10th-14th ahead of its official release date when it's put up for sale on the 15th, and taking a phone picture of it and posting it online, shouldn't be notable to actually mention on the page. Lychee's Dainose was revealed officially on that date, Pokémon Fan didn't actually leak, but then again there are also users who misuse the word "leaked" to refer to the date in which a magazine is officially revealed. But most of the time that term is used, it's actually a magazine that is literally leaked - like it's not up for sale, and it's information we're not supposed to know yet, but we do use them as a source solely since they're confirmed leaks (and I mean confirmed as in not something that can be made up easily by anyone who knows how to do it, like these leaks were). Now if information was "leaked" in the sense that it was officially revealed by accident, like the news about there being a Dragon Master special of BW which was accidentally posted on the official site for a few minutes before being taken down but there were people who saw the accidentally revealed title during the short duration in which it was accidentally posted, then that should be notable, yes. But if it's an unofficial source taking out a phone, stealing papers of the magazine, and taking a picture of it and uploading it to the internet as anonymous on a Japanese hosting or forum site like dotup or 2chan, no matter how much it's a trending topic in the fandom, the date such unofficial leaks occur should not be notable to be mentioned on an article - because anyone who knows how to do that kind of stuff can easily do it - it's not anything special that we need to have noted on the page. We should only mention the date the Pokémon species (such as a Mythical or Legendary one) was officially revealed - or if it was officially revealed by accident as a trivia note for example.
For example, the pages for the Isshu starters could be created starting from September 1, 2010 when it leaked using the leaks as a source because they're actually confirmed as leaks, but the date some random 27-year-old guy leaked it shouldn't be considered notable to put on the article, no matter how "trending and popular" it is in the fandom, because the fact that it was leaked is still fan content (not any official announcement), and was confirmed through extremely easy though highly illegal methods, not anything official such as the official Pokémon site blogging the content. We don't mention anything on the pages about a dub title illegally leaking or any else leaking, an issue of CoroCoro leaking days before its official intended date shouldn't be considered notable either. PokémonGamer* 15:11, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
They've replied back, this was the issue: (link) - a comma was missing there. It works now. PokémonGamer* 18:22, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
It being a usual thing is not the reason why - the reason's because it's unofficial and we shouldn't ever consider fanmade things such as unofficial, law-violating leaks of Pokémon species through leaks of CoroCoro and other magazines as notable to mention on the pages. But thanks for letting me know that, I'm changing the "first reveal" date listed in the opening paragraphs to the date that it was actually officially revealed, not just the date some random person out there leaks a magazine and posts it online. PokémonGamer* 20:12, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
I've noticed some images in the wiki's recent images section that are not being used. Should we maybe wait a day (as in 24 hours from now) and see if they're going to use it, and if not delete it? And then, if they request it to be restored to plan to use it somewhere, restore it? I've just been deleting them if they've been up for some time now not being used on any pages or comments on this wiki. PokémonGamer* 20:39, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
Okay, yeah, seems the user I mentioned is posting those images and is planning to add them later. Just suggested that just so if anyone adds them and doesn't use them right away, that can be done too. PokémonGamer* 21:59, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
I am also letting you know that I am going to wait until SM028 is mentioned on the official English website to change the O in "out" to capitalized or leave it as is. I've tried contacting asking them how they'll capitalize it on the official site (which is their support email that they gave me when I dialed their phone number, and to no surprise it did work*) and they've gotten back to me and said they can't yet provide information of upcoming episodes that aren't yet listed on the official site. I think the capitalization on SM008's English title is fine though because it's listed that way on iTunes as well which is an officially supported source. PokémonGamer* 19:37, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
I also think it should matter if the articles are written from a geographically neutral viewpoint. For example, there should be no tone or implication that whoever is reading the article does or does not live in a certain country. For example, we should not mention Japan as a foreign country - just because the majority of users on this wiki do not live in Japan - and I don't think we should mention anywhere in America and Europe as "our country" or "our continent" or whatever on articles that implies that whoever is reading the article does not live in a country, as this is an English wiki - not an "American", "British", "Australian", or "European" wiki. The same goes when referencing other countries than Japan, such as Korea, China, and Thailand - we should not use words like "foreign" and "overseas" to refer to those countries as it implies that whoever is reading the article does not live in those countries - unless it's referring to those countries not being the country of origin and Japan indeed being the country of origin. I am more pointing towards neutral point of view here. I've found references in articles here that implies that literally every person reading that article lives outside of Japan - such as unnaturally repeating the fact that Tokyo is a location in Japan in the same sentence (something that would not be a tendency if the person actually lives in Japan) - as with Kanto's page (which I removed that repeated reference because it is written from an exclusively non-Japanese viewpoint, I also changed the reference to the earthquake that banned the Plasma Gang episodes from Great East Japan Earthquake to the Tohoku earthquake in normal font while linking to its Wikipedia page because using a name just to mention the word "Japan" and bolding it, implies that a.) it is written from a tone that the reader absolutely does not live in Japan and therefore the earthquake and the country it occurred in might not be known or relevant to them at all, and b.) it implies that it is the main subject of the article (it's not)).
The reason we should be careful here to be neutral with the country of the wiki is because the wiki is meant for a specific language - English, not a specific country - such as the United States or anywhere else. Therefore, it is meant to assume the viewpoint that the reader or editor can properly read and write in English, not that the reader or editor does not live in Japan or only lives in the US or Europe. Anyone who is natively Korean will have no problem reading or editing the wiki if they know English to a fluent level and none of the content on articles or walkthroughs should be regionally or culturally biased - such as those two (although rather minor) implications I mentioned above on articles that the reader is not someone who lives in Japan. For example, the Japanese-language Wikipedia even goes as far as to have an entire page up asking that its natively Japanese majority understand that the Wikipedia assumes the viewpoint that one is capable of reading and writing in Japanese (as in the language) to a fluent level, and should not be biased towards Japanese culture or society. I think that using neutral point of view should involve not only avoiding subjective opinionated terminology - but also being impartial in terms of the geographical location of the editor or reader and I think that we should refer to all countries neutrally because this wiki is based on English understanding and reading ability, not in a single country or in multiple specific countries. PokémonGamer* 22:35, August 9, 2017 (UTC)


The Kapu Tetefu in SM037 used Draining Kiss, according to the Rotom Zukan's line identifying it. I'm working on the gallery, so I'm letting you know this here so that someone can add it while I'm doing the gallery. PokémonGamer* 12:51, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

Translations and official romanizations

For translations and official romanizations of characters whose official romanizations are different from their Hepburn transliteration, maybe we can put it as {{tt}} hover text over the Japanese characters? For example, ポケモン大好きママさん I can come up with "Pokémon-Loving Mothers" as the translation, which is different than "Mothers for Pokémon", the official term, so it can maybe work like this: "ポケモン大好きママさん Pokémon Daisuki Mama-san or P.M.D.M.". PokémonGamer* 22:27, August 11, 2017 (UTC)


I think we should translate 機巧 (からくり) as "mechanical" instead of "ingenuous". The reason Serebii translates 機巧 as ingenuous is because it has been translated before as being a "certain type of mechanical", and it includes the kanji for ingenuity. Bulbapedia's always stuck with mechanical, but what makes it clearer is that all the official translations in the English dubs and English translated media for Pokémon have translated 機巧 as "mechanical", "gadget", and stuff along that line, and it's not like Serebii is a completely trustworthy source because he has posted false information - he has people he trusts for such stuff, but the people he gets the info from will sometimes get it from incorrect info - and that's why when he posts info, I always try to dig for the primary source where it comes from and see for myself if it's real - and even Bulbapedia staff have jumped on the "Serebii isn't 100% trustworthy" bandwagon which is a stance they have held for years and years of Bulb's history (apart from the webmaster telling them not to use his info), it has nothing to do with hatred or stopping the flow of information - it all has to do with Serebii being a fansite and thus not always having correct information - the same goes with Bulbapedia or any other pages on any wiki - I don't consider those reliable sources because they are fanmade and editable by everyone with an account. Even if the info is confirmed, I don't trust the translation all the way because there's usually instances where there's something missing to his translations. (And yeah, I did even talk to him, he said he usually posts all the titles because only a dozen of them turn out to be initially false out of the 500+ he's gone through and posted as future episode titles, but as a wiki, and not an owner-editable blog or moderation-editable forum like Serebii is, we have to wait for everything to get officially confirmed, and yeah I'm not saying Serebii's doing it wrong, they can verify info however they choose, but I just don't find any reason to trust "I read it online so it must be true" when it comes to this wiki, no matter how trustworthy those not-fully-100%-verified titles have turned out in the past in the end, because as a wiki, we have to verify all our information through cited primary sources or companies that function as reliable secondary sources like Zap2it, because we're a wiki, not a discussion forum or info blog like Serebii is, we need to wait for information to be strictly official, not just random posters on 2ch we don't even know a single thing about, but nonetheless if there's an IP address that's posted real titles primarily from magazine sources and not made up and has been right all the time, and there's background info to confirm it, such as with XY135, that can also be used on the condition that it's official and not made up, and yeah even the Japanese Pokémon wiki Bulb has posts those types of titles, but they have a policy not to put information in there if you're not purchasing the magazine and getting it from an external source, but it's not as strictly enforced there)

So maybe we can translate 機巧 as mechanical and not ingenuous? Due to mechanical being a much more clearer translation than the people on the Serebii-affiliated site bandwagon such as and who translate it as "ingenuous"? PokémonGamer* 17:33, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I've changed it, and yeah, it's not that it's not right, I see the explanation for that one, it's just that it's less clear when compared to the official translation (mechanical). And back when the movie was first announced, there was tons of varied translations being changed up over and over again, "mechanical" is the one Bulb sticked with because it's basic and to the point. PokémonGamer* 21:08, August 12, 2017 (UTC)


There're always a lot of people vandalising the galleries and didn't change image names. Do you mind setting up rules for galleries? Diana Lover (talk) 05:58, August 13, 2017 (UTC)Diana loverDiana Lover (talk) 05:58, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

As for the message on DragonSpore18's talk page, she got it from Bulbapedia, which is editable by anyone who has an account, so it isn't a reliable source. However, the claim is that the gender of Green's Bakeccha is confirmed in Kailos Glares so if you can check the Kailos Glares chapter, I think that'll give you clues on whether it's confirmed or not (haven't checked that chapter myself). It's not an assumption, it's just a Bulbapedia claim she didn't confirm herself. Of course, even then, a source is still mandatory because we need one to be documented on the article even if it's not made up or assumed. Of course, if it's an anime episode, only the normal, raw, untouched Japanese version can confirm it and any dub-only confirmation is considered a dub difference. If it's an anime episode, it's easy to just cite the timestamp where the line is mentioned and I'll check for myself if it confirms the gender - because the pocketmonsters fansubs and posts are not the Word of God and they may be assuming or mistranslating Japanese gender neutral pronouns. Although, for example, things like how Satoshi's Luchabull is confirmed male is gender specific (the narrator says "otoko to otoko no tatakai" or something similar, and words like "otoko" or "shounen" specifically means man/male, and words like "onna" or "shojo" specifically mean girl/female) though shounen specifically means a young boy as with Chota, as with shoujo which refers to a young girl), but if it's just a subs thing where the fan translation calls a Pokémon "that guy" or "that girl", it's always best to have me check it first to verify whether it's gender neutral or gender specific. There are always distortions in gender confirmations in the anime, but I can always know when it is or isn't confirmed. PokémonGamer* 17:33, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Pokémon Puppet series

I'm wondering if you know anything we could do with the whole Pokémon Puppet thing since User:Mypka123 has created a page called PUPPET01: Evolution. Energy X has just put {{delete}} on it (without actually deleting it) as we have no idea what to do with it, and there's been no consensus yet that we'll either have them or not. Apart from not mentioning it, the only other solution would be to recognize them as shorts, similar to the Pikachu shorts thingy (alongside the other things that have either their Japanese version or dub distributed online). If we ever need to mention them, I can work this through as a translator, because it's not like the main sources of translation such as the 100% Serebii affiliated sites (which don't exactly guarantee quality in their translations) even have any translations. Titles are revealed through the jikai otanoshimini thingy at the end of a video (which I can type out, if indeed we do need these pages, which I have no opinion on, since there's no "copy-paste" source for that type of thing). Such shorts appear to be released on a Tuesday schedule, one every few weeks. PokémonGamer* 20:21, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. But it's not that it's in Japanese and no one except for me will likely understand it to add enough info, it's just that there has been no consensus on this and they don't feel the same as the Pikachu shorts or Pokémon Generations shorts - it's something that if it was noteworthy (which there's no consensus on, and the articles will be tiny or blank anyways), having all those articles out there still wouldn't be necessary - the same goes even if it was an English series. There's also the issue that the Manon segments have been dubbed on the Pokémon TV app - that can better be covered in articles of the episodes as those are natively Japanese segments - I think having the YouTube puppet show articles is like having articles covering those, it's too little known and little info about each thing to be worth supporting an article for every single segment - then we'd be creating articles on the Orchid-hakase segments for Isshu and Kalos and it's just not worth it. If it turns into a long running thing like on DVD or like if they start showing it on TV in commercial breaks, a listing where it's relevant such as any specials page would be good enough (there may even be a page where we can cover the YouTube Pokémon puppet show thingy as an episode list, if we were to reach a consensus on that, if it were to work like the Planitarium specials we list but we don't have articles on because we have no consensus on an episode code and the only info from it would have to come from people who saw the premiere of those specials back then) - for now, I think it would be better if I just made a blog post and updated it given that I can understand it well enough to provide info on it rather than have articles that will likely have an extremely tiny amount of information that's not even worth supporting an article on it - there's also Phineas and Ferb Wiki, which has an article on the YouTube series Doof's Daily Dirt but they don't have articles on the separate videos in that series - I think doing short episode lists as a blog post I make should be good enough so that anyone who may be interested in that series can follow that, having tons of tiny articles that are less noteworthy than the other YouTube-exclusive content we have on here is just not worth it. PokémonGamer* 23:33, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
And yeah, although I do agree, I'm also going to ask DragonSpore18 if she has any thoughts on whether we should have these extremely small articles - to be neutral, because we need to know if there are any opposing viewpoints on just deleting them and not having articles on them. IMO, if they use it as an episode segment, like with the Orchid-hakase segments or like how they use Poké Question in Sun & Moon, then it would be notable there, or if it were to be as noteworthy as the Pikachu shorts in the future and they start considering it as a special series, we would list them as anime specials in an episode list - it's better to have a blog post from me covering the series and just update that since I can understand a lot of it and it's best to have others use that as a source of English-translated info rather than throw in these extremely tiny articles that are not even worth having.
It can work like how I have this blog post about the episode contents on the different places where you can watch the anime, it's a small topic that it's not worth a tiny article covering, but it can be used as a non-mainspace page to cover the topic if it's definitely not something that's worthy of a whole article on. PokémonGamer* 23:45, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
It's not that I'm not interested in making a blog post on it - it's just that I needed to get some rest last night and I need to find a way to make a table on it. It'll work like this page from a Bulbapedia administrator, it's not anything that they're going to use as an article, it's a topic he's covering as a side thing in his userspace. PokémonGamer* 13:31, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Next episode previews

Should we do trivia on if the preview narration of certain episodes is provided by characters other than this one? It's like how we do title card trivia if it's narrated by someone else other than Satoshi. The reason is because it is usually expected that he narrates the title card and preview, so it may be noteworthy if it's a time where doesn't narrate it or if there are other characters narrating it too. Unlike Bulbapedia, we can just put it on the page of the episode being shown in the preview. Bulbapedia prefers to have the preview trivia mentioned on the page of the episode before it because that's the episode that shows the preview at the end after the credits, but the episode being previewed might have more relevance especially in a few rare situations where the preview shown at the end of an episode is different based on which version it is. On TV airings and reruns, the preview at the end of BW022 is for BW023 (because BW022, which shows the preview at the end of it, first aired before the decision to postpone it was made, same goes for XY023), but on DVD, the Korean dub, and Amazon Prime, the preview is for BW025, and Amazon Prime shows the preview for XY025 at the end of XY023, because the only reason the preview for XY024 was shown on first airings is because that was the episode that was set to air next at the time, same also goes for IL037, the first airings and the version on the Japanese Hulu service that is also based on the first airings shows IL038's preview but because IL038 was tossed to the side, never to be shown again because of the Pokémon/Porygon Shock incident, reruns show the preview for IL039. But those are episodes where the only narrator was Satoshi, so that wouldn't be notable for a trivia point, but I think for episodes that have their previews narrated by someone else, that can be put on the episode page of the episode being shown in the preview in the trivia section, because the previews are not just promotional material that are exclusive to first broadcasts contrary to what many, many people believe it to be, they are completely and legitimately in-episode segments shown after the credits (of course, they are not officially termed "first preview" and the Sunday morning preview is not termed "second preview", those are just idiotic YouTube terms constantly tossed around as if they were official, so "preview" will specifically refer to the in-episode preview segment shown at the end of the previous episode), the only thing that is first broadcast material are those full series "previews" such as the Sun & Moon and XY&Z "previews", but those aren't what we're going to consider previews here, we're going to consider previews based on the ones shown at the end of an episode. PokémonGamer* 18:05, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Another thing: if we do this type of trivia for the preview narrators like we do for the title card, I am able to access the preview segments for episodes where the preview wasn't shown in the first airing. Examples of this would be one hour specials where the preview for the second episode of the special was skipped on the first airing (such as the preview for BW002, which is narrated by Satoshi and Iris, because BW001/BW002 were being aired as a one hour thing) or ones with movie promotions such as SM034 - its preview was not shown in the first airing but it was shown on YouTube, Hulu/Amazon Japan, and reruns of it. PokémonGamer* 18:12, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Should we also update the featured Pokémon on this template? We've had it as Kucheat for a long time, and that's something I've wanted to bring up but I just keep forgetting, but maybe we can try to randomize it each month by using a random number generator and match up the number seen there by whoever wants to update it with the Pokémon dex number of the Pokémon we feature? That way, we can make it unbiased. PokémonGamer* 19:47, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I'll make sure that if I see a next episode preview segment that's not narrated solely by him, to include it. Although again, the next episode previews (the ones that are shown at the very end of an episode after the credits) are not just exclusive to first airings of the Japanese version, despite the claims of what many, many people believe - as they exist in almost every Asian foreign language dub (which translates the Japanese version instead of the English dub like most non-Asian dubs do), it's just that TPCi (which exists anywhere outside of Japan and Asia) doesn't include them because the US television networks don't do post-episode previews that are in-episode content - all they do close to it is just show commercial break promos, but still, it does not actually matter whether non-Asian dubs include it because the wiki is targeted to the English language including Japanese and English-exclusive content, not just to people who do not follow the Japanese version or any other Asian dub such as the Korean dub - the only thing we base primarily on the English versions of the franchise are names (such as characters, Pokémon, and episode titles), and terminology (such as branch instead of twig in that one XY episode) - if it's anything such as a plot summary, we base those on the Japanese version for example, while listing dub only content in the dub edits. In the Asian non-Japanese dubs such as Korean and Chinese, they dub the episode straight through, including the main episode, Japanese segments, and the next episode preview - it's not first airing only material exclusive to the Japanese version so it would still be of interest to those who follow the original Japanese versions - we are not just going to assume that no one on the wiki watches them. PokémonGamer* 20:22, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Just to let you know, I've edited the source template for the featured Pokémon thing so if you don't have a second type listed there, |type1=(insert type here) by itself without a "type2" parameter mentioned in there will work just fine. So this means we can now list single type Pokémon as featured ones. And yeah, I was just trying to look closely and emulate how another wiki used the if tag on the source template. I also used that random number generator to generate a Pokédex number and got 377 (aka Regirock's number) when I visited that page, so that's how it'll be done - doing it random at the first page visit so as not to bias towards a personal favorite Pokémon. PokémonGamer* 21:24, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

X Strait Y Scenery and Pose

Just to let you know, X Strait Y Scenery has multiple versions based on which episode it is if you have all of them to know which ones are used, maybe it would be best to list the full version and use hover text tooltips to identify which episodes that line is in? I also have all of the episodes too (which are downloaded from on demand services like the Japanese services of Hulu and Amazon, therefore having no logos or text onscreen), but I'm not putting too much focus in it at this moment. Pose is also another one where some of the lines are changed depending on the episode it is. As for X Strait Y Scenery, the pocketmonsters subs does not use the first syllable of the Pokémon names in every line as the actual Japanese lyrics intend, so I'm trying to add those in a way that it makes it as such, because I don't think we should list a move the Pokémon specializes in like how the pocketmonsters subs do it, I think we should use its first syllable like the actual Japanese lyrics intend it to be, for example it should be "Now it got it, it hit it like a [insert first syllable here]n." and I'm using the bold font to indicate where the red font color was used to indicate that the lines are the same while inserting the first letter of a Pokémon name in all those places in the song.

I'm just posting this so you're aware of the current status of the songs issue, because there's songs with differences in them depending on the episode. PokémonGamer* 12:51, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'll maybe check the episodes myself and place the episodes where certain lines are used in my sandbox. Also, just to let you know, whenever you see を in the lyrics, always make sure to romanize it as "o" and not "wo", regardless of what the pocketmonsters subs romanize it as. That's because when used as a particle which tends to be the case pretty much around all the time, it's properly romanized as "o". Pocketmonsters has a different romanization style where they romanize を as wo because it is usually always used as a particle, but as apart of our standard, we always romanize it as o because it's a particle and we go by the "modified" Hepburn script here (which is better because it gives を a particle indicator, even if it's usually always a particle), not the "traditional" style pocketmonsters uses, and we should stick with one version and go with it. Pocketmonsters isn't wrong because that's their style and neither is wrong, but when we're talking specifically about the style we use here, "o" is correct and "wo" is not. I think we should also adopt the following romanization standards: ず and づ would both be "zu" and じ and ぢ would both be ji. I can always be asked to romanize it if there's any confusion but I think we can adopt these as a standard:
  • ず/づ = zu
  • ン/ん = n
  • を/お = o, including in を's usual intended particle meaning
  • じ/ぢ = ji
That way we're not straying off a single path and romanizing one letter differently on different pages. If it was a fan blog, then it doesn't matter since there's no need to be consistent as it's a fan project (not a wiki fan site) and even the grammar does not need to be good, just not indecipherable (for example, Serebii says he's perfectly good at English grammar, but he doesn't care about his internet grammar because it's not something that's necessary to be perfect). However, as a wiki, we must use one format consistently like this.
PokémonGamer* 22:22, August 16, 2017 (UTC)


This user has been frivolously deleting the whole page or a large bit of it and adding it right back for no reason whatsoever and I've told them to stop. If indeed a block is warranted, the reason should probably be Removing content from pages (no, not Vandalism, because we don't know what they're trying to do, but I've kept telling them to stop). PokémonGamer* 18:19, August 19, 2017 (UTC)

Assumptions of dub seasons

This will be necessary for when and if a second arc gets announced for Pocket Monsters Sun & Moon (because Diamond & Pearl was not individually separated). I'm just asking one thing about confirmation which I'm proposing, I don't think that just because the Japanese version announces another arc of the series means that we should outright speculate and guess that there will be another dub season there when the English dub catches up to that point. If the Japanese original announces a new arc for the Sun & Moon series, I think we should just put another subsection called "Japan" and listing the Japanese episode division (as we do for other articles, per what I've discussed previously with Energy X). When we first created the XYZ page, we were speculating that it was going to be another season of the English dub when there was no announcement of it (of course, there was indeed an announcement days later under the tentative "Pokémon XY&Z" which pretty much covered the "unconfirmed" part back then). I think however, for Sun & Moon, we should wait until TPCi officially confirms when there will be another dub season if an arc gets announced in the original anime and not assume where there'll be a new season of the English dub created just because the regular Japanese version reveals a new arc to take place at that point in the series. When the Sun & Moon series started, we waited until the 20th season of the English dub was confirmed - not just outright guessing that it would be named "Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon" just because of the series title and the name of XY's dub seasons (#17-19), and not just outright guessing it by translating the Japanese title.

For example, Best Wishes was divided into Best Wishes!, Best Wishes! Season 2, Best Wishes! Season 2 Episode N, and Best Wishes! Season 2 Decolora Adventure - we never jumped to conclusions by assuming that those would be named under dub seasons - I don't think we should speculate anything about new dub seasons just because an original Japanese version arc is announced. I'm just asking because that's precisely what we did with XY&Z - we assumed it was going to be the 19th season of the English dub before it was confirmed as such officially, and we were basically jumping the gun. And even as such, XY, &, and Z were never spaced out officially - Serebii has said he is aware what he is doing and that he does not have a failure at using proper grammar but he just does not care about grammar when being on the internet because it is not crucial on the internet when running a blog for example like Serebii does for his site, so him spacing out XY, &, and Z in the news post does not mean it's anything apart of the official title. He was simply spreading the word about a Japanese arc - the XY&Z mini series arc of the anime - if we did not speculate before it was confirmed officially days later, we would've temporarily listed them as Kalos Quest episodes until we had (official) confirmation on there being a 19th dub season when this released on IIRC September 14th, 2 days later.

Now, that was calling it the "series", but the Zygarde forms announcement page called it a "season" specifically, which confirmed it.

Pretty much, to sum this up, I think we should wait until dub seasons are confirmed even when a Japanese version arc gets announced and we shouldn't assume that a newly announced Japanese version arc is going to be the next dub season as we did when Pocket Monsters XY&Z got announced - it is entirely possible that TPCi can run the extremely small chance that they will do something bizarre that will make the speculation wrong. PokémonGamer* 18:55, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Episode pairs

For the episode pairs that have aired at the end of a series since DP, we will be considering them both normal and special episodes per what I've discussed with Energy X. Since I don't have all the time to update them all at once right now today, I'll keep you informed of what needs to be updated:

  • The episodes in the infobox template will link to the previous and episode and the next episode while keeping the end-of-series episode pairs in mind. The post series specials will be numbered as DP192/DP193/BW145/BW146/XY141/XY142 - as a matter of fact, I've already moved the pages. We are going to consider them the "special [insert number here] episode of the season", this is because of the reasons I mentioned on Energy X's talk page about these being special episodes of the normal series and their dub seasons - and when these episodes are dubbed, according to the XYZ special dub, they dub them as normal ones too. The Japanese version intends for you to think of them as both normal episodes of the main series *and* special episodes in the sense that they are extra anime episodes added to the end of a series that have nothing to do with Satoshi's main journey - not that they are *only* considered special episodes. And this works good too - it doesn't matter whether the other English language fansites consider them merely specials or not - I've seen a Japanese wiki that Bulb is affiliated with and they consider them "special episodes of the normal series" while numbering them this way as well - as they are primarily normal episodes, just that they are also considered special episodes - but that's in the sense that it has nothing to do with Satoshi's quest, but the episode format as seen in the preview and the episode's segments within the episode itself officially refer to it as normal episodes - so far as to the point where the dub considers them normal too. The season pages will also make mentions of these episodes as well.
  • We will also have to change the numbers in the infobox template for the overall series episode count to include them as normal episodes, because they are half normal and half special episodes as well. The templates at the bottom of the pages will have a separate part that lists the "special" episodes of the normal series while for episode numbering, we are going to number them the same as normal ones.
  • They will continue to be mentioned on the lists of special episodes, as they are advertised officially as special episodes, even though they are officially normal episodes too. It's not 100% normal or 100% special - it's actually apart of both, and we have definitions of how to define what normal and special episodes are and the end-of-series ones fall under both definitions - the segments are all the same, including the end-of-series pairs and the fact that the next episode previews use the normal title cards - which is why the dub calls them specials, *and* because they are also listed as specials by the summaries and the narration of the preview - so officially, they're not 100% one or the either - they are the "special [x number] episode of the series/season".

PokémonGamer* 22:00, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

And yes, I might be able to do the DP192/DP193 images as a task in the future - I know that PM's old subs are built-in-stone and there's no way to turn them off - they are hardcoded into the video footage, but I don't use PM's subs for my image source, I use versions that were taken from Amazon Prime Japan (the only other Japanese video service where the Japanese version of the Pocket Monsters anime is available which I have yet to maybe subscribe to in the future, but I'd rather move to Japan in the future and do it in Japan if I ever think about moving to the country, I am not quite familiar with their region locking on Amazon Video Prime's annual payment), the versions I use are videos that someone I know has ripped off the Japanese Amazon Prime service, and they are not from TV airings, so they do not have the TV logos or any intrusive text that may pop up such as the seizure warning. They are also the best, most crisp 1080p HD versions you can find, better than the ones pocketmonsters has and better than those torrents out there that are recorded from TV broadcasts. PokémonGamer* 22:35, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
As for the episode categories, we will consider them both "[insert title of dub season] Episodes" and "Specials" in the categories. PokémonGamer* 22:40, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
And can you try to find a way to list IL052 and IL053 as holiday specials on the Pokémon specials list on that page? This is because like the Christmas ones, they are officially called holiday specials (under the 番外編 label), the only reason we label the Christmas ones as OVA is because they were intended to be replaced with IL039 (the Pikachu one) and air later out of continuity following the IL038 incident, while they were originally intended to air as IL039/IL040 - so that's why we give it the OVA label, because it's not one to label under the IL label, while at the same time it's a normal episode. That's why it's a special, not because they're Christmas and that Christmas is a more "universal" holiday - as IL052/IL053 are for holidays that only exist within Japan and don't exist in any foreign countries (the vast majority of users on this wiki, you and me included, live in foreign countries, such as the US, countries in Europe, or in English speaking countries), but they're still holiday specials whether they're present in foreign countries outside of Japan or not. But the only problem is, the whole numbering thing on the Chronicles list is too confusing for me to work around it to add them in - OVA001/OVA002/IL052/IL053 are holiday specials though, so IL052 and IL053 need to be listed - the fact that Christmas is more universal than the latter two that are generally celebrated only in a single country that most users here don't live in and therefore don't celebrate usually is not a legitimate reason not to include them, as we are against non-Japanese regional and geographical bias on the pages (I'm not talking about hate against Japanese people, I just mean that in terms of referring to the assumption that no one reading or editing the articles lives in Japan which is clearly false, as the wiki is international, not specific to countries outside of Japan, even if countries outside of Japan are countries that most users here live in, especially because we do have a user here who is a Japanese resident like Dogasu is).

PokémonGamer* 12:56, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

The reason we named both the Dojoach and Namazun and the Elite Four one as AG101 and didn't give the Dojoach and Namazun one a number is because AG101 wasn't treated as canon for whatever unknown reason that was before we moved the pages there - so both AG101 and the unaired BW ones need a number especially if they decide to air it years in delay - TV Tokyo's promise in 2011 would be that they air them and the amount of skepticism and doubt that they will keep that promise due to them not airing it to this day is not a legitimate reason to not give them a number, because we do consider all unaired ones as canon by giving them episode numbers. And it's easier to change the numbers too because there's episode lists for the individual dub seasons that we can use and go through them to change them. Also, episodes aired out of order would need to air in the normal time slot and they would need two weeks off which is why BW026 (now BW039) and XY024 eventually ended up airing as single episodes that could easily be aired on weeks that would normally be one week breaks and work around the schedule so that's probably why they haven't aired yet.
It was also virtually impossible to manage during the BW run because that would've conflicted with the story line of the overall series especially with international dubbing, which they might've decided to confusingly dub them out of order - if they air them, they will likely air them as a second batch of a single pair of the BW series - there is no other way I would think they would do it if the episode is to retain their normal segments. Someone claims they have contacted the companies to verify this claim, but I haven't been able to verify it - I've spoken with the Pokémon Company (note that their Japanese company does not have English customer service, you have to speak with them in Japanese to contact them), and they just referred me to TV Tokyo's contact page, rather than explain the situation like it was claimed. PokémonGamer* 13:04, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
I think we should consider the Ranger one as DP168 and the Shaymin episode as DP169 - currently we have them as DP169 and DP168 respectively - but that order was a first airing edit, we don't judge things based on first airing edits primarily, we note first airing edits in the trivia. The dub season list on the official English website lists the Ranger one before the Shaymin one, and the Amazon Prime list for the Japanese version lists the Ranger one as DP168 and Shaymin as DP169, so it's not like it's a dub edit either. We should just mention in the trivia that the episodes were first broadcast in reverse of their normal order.
And the difference between the Ranger one and the Mystery Dungeon ones is that the Ranger ones are produced for the main series - even if they don't take place during Satoshi's journey, the Mystery Dungeon ones aren't, which is why the Ranger ones use the normal episode segments and the next episode previews treat them as normal episodes.
In case you're wondering, when I have time, I'll put in the SM001 trivia the narrators of the preview and will note that it's the first time that the first episode of a series is given a next episode preview at the end of the previous one, as previous series just skipped the preview segment altogether at the end of the previous episode, so this is an unprecedented first time of this happening - I don't have time to do it right now though. Also, the SM001 preview wasn't shown at the end of XY142 in the first Japanese broadcast - the normal versions seen on Hulu, Amazon, and re-airings show the preview though, and Asian dubs such as the Korean one air the preview for SM001 at the end of XY142. PokémonGamer* 13:23, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Also, should we make sure all the official romanizations of things that are partially based on English words or names that are based on Japanese names altogether are supported by a source? Apart from the templates where we use Hepburn romanizations, there are also official romanizations we use in some of the Pokémon listings and in etymology sections where these would be needed, but we need to make sure they are legitimately official romanizations and not just guesswork from fan sources claimed as trademark romanizations while turning out to be different trademark romanization later. If you have any sources containing official romanizations of names (the sources need to be ones other than fan sites like Serebii and Bulbapedia), I am opening this to everyone as an open source sandbox page that anyone can add to so we can list all the sources of trademarked romanizations to distinguish which ones are official and which ones aren't. That list is essentially incomplete as of now, so just because a romanization is missing there doesn't make it unofficial - but I feel this can be a good way to verify all the names are sourced and official, if you have any other sources such as trademark databases, those can be used to add to that list I created. PokémonGamer* 22:32, August 23, 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but there are places where we do use trademarked romanizations, such as some Pokémon lists I've found on here where we list the English, katakana, Hepburn romanizations, and trademark romanizations, and we need to know which ones are official. I think we can use that page to track down all the sources that verify the names that are confirmed to be the trademark ones. We're not going to put them in references on the list page itself, we can use that userspace page I created to list the sources for others to check to know which ones are guaranteed to be romanized as that officially. PokémonGamer* 10:53, August 24, 2017 (UTC)


After you're done with sorting out the numbering, can you check the Pokémon Special page and sort out the other specials from the Pokémon Chronicles ones? Also, that Mewtwo one is not a Best Wishes special as this list officially confirms (and the Amazon Prime lists mix in the normal episodes with the specials of that series), it is just a spin-off like the Mystery Dungeon ones were, so that needs to be taken out of the Best Wishes Specials list and placed elsewhere; I've already removed the dub season reference because it is a spin-off special, not a series special.

Same goes with Diancie, Princess of the Diamond Domain, that needs to be moved elsewhere on the special list as it is not a series special, it is a spin-off special featuring Pokémon that are up to date with the 6th gen at the time and using modern animation that they use for the anime; I already removed the dub season because it is not a series special, it's a movie spin off one similar to the Hoopa one and the Mewtwo one - there's a difference there. The Hoopa one will need to be moved to another category, similar to the Mystery Dungeon ones. It is not a series special contrary to what the list implies - only the Mega Evolution ones are series specials, because the list that the Japanese services of Amazon Prime and Hulu follow state that the Mega Evolution ones are series specials. The special that is known as "Mewtwo Returns" in English has three parts of it which are Jouto specials and the whole thing together is a spin off, so that can be included in the list. We need ways to distinguish the series specials and the spin offs that promote the upcoming movie, and you can use the lists on Amazon Prime to help yourself distinguish them - using these search results would be best. Airing during the series is not the indicator that confirms it - there are spin-offs that air during the series, but that doesn't make them series specials, and "Bulbapedia/Serebii says so" does not confirm it.

However though, they may keep their SS code because they all equally fall under side stories. I just don't know how the episode numbers are supposed to work for those Chronicles ones, and many of them are not even Chronicles episodes anyway, so there's no reason why they should be listed there - only the ones that actually are Chronicles episodes should be listed there. PokémonGamer* 12:40, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Can you watch

QueenCupcake025? Reason I'm report him is due to Vandalizing his nonsenseable posts on Discussion post, Thought i'd let you know about it. Kind Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 18:44, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Also can you block Tiffiny the Queen of Shine due to the user is impersonating another user. Kind Regards & Thank you....Trainer Micah (talk) 20:19, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Mewtwo Saga

Energy X has pointed out that this should be considered as a special and not a film. Do you think it would maybe be a good idea to split it into three pages? "Mewtwo Returns" can maybe be a disambiguation page of "Mewtwo Returns (Part 1)", "Mewtwo Returns (Part 2)", "Mewtwo Returns (Part 3)". The reason is because in the normal Japanese version, it is considered a special episode of the original series rather than a spin off special, which aired between between JE062 and JE063 - it was just aired as a 3 episode special with the previews and everything cut from it on the original broadcast, and the dub release bases it on how it originally aired in Japan. However, it has a placement in the Jouto League arc (and in the dub, this came during the dub season Johto League Champions), so we can list the season of the special as Johto League Champions as it is just like the Mega Evolution ones - it aired as a series special, not a spin-off film like the dub treats it.

The advantage to this is that it would allow us to have galleries (going by our 30 image maximum rule) for all the 3 part special episodes of the Mewtwo special, and allow us to split the plot summaries to go on the separate pages, because it's clearly not a spin-off film unlike what the page currently calls it and unlike how the dub treats it.

The fact that the dub treats it as a spin-off film rather than a series special (series specials, as in like the Mega Evolution ones are for example) is totally irrelevant and means absolutely nothing - original Japanese version overrules every and any dub, according to which this is a three-part original series special (it isn't one of those specials that are also accompanied by the normal episode label like DP192/DP193/BW145/BW146/XY141/XY142 but you get the point). The episode list that is shared by Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Kids Station reruns establishes that unlike how it originally aired and was originally released in the dub on DVD, it is a three part special of the Jouto League arc of the original series that has the opening and ending and it even has next episode previews for each part at the end of the episodes before it, just like there being next episode previews for Mega Evolution IV special eps of Pocket Monsters XY - first airings skip it (at least they did for the IV special) in order to simply create the illusion that the preview doesn't exist because they don't show previews of episodes that are accompanied by promotions - but there is absolutely and undeniably a preview for it as seen by the Japanese re-releases such as on Hulu, Amazon Prime, and re-airings. And we don't go by the original airings to confirm things, as they have made edits and pushed narratives on things that are not true to the normal versions of episodes. And we always prefer going by this list rather than the first airing order followed by the official Pokémon website.

So should we maybe make pages for the three parts, make Mewtwo Returns a disambiguation page, and give the Episode infobox to the three parts, including the Japanese opening and ending, as this will also allow creating a gallery for all three without cluttering a single page with galleries for it, and it's definitely not a spin-off film, the fact that the English dub considers it that means literally, absolutely nothing. And since there are official versions of the Mewtwo Saga special where the whole thing is split into 3 parts, as it is normally intended and used in Japanese re-releases, I believe that it is best to go by the three part order and have separate pages for the parts. It's considered "Mewtwo *Saga*" in the original Japanese version for a reason. I also have videos of the three Mewtwo Saga parts, so I can take of what's necessary to split them into three pages for the three 23 minute parts, due to it being officially an original series special rather than a movie spin-off film. It was aired originally as a whole film special but when it was re-released by their normal standalone versions they are intended to be thought of as, it was released in three parts which is how it is normally meant to be thought of as and there is an official three part version available and released publicly in re-releases rather than how first airings and the dub DVD's consider it a whole side film. The fact that this episode is not listed on the official website doesn't mean a single thing - BW146's title was not on the official site because it was airing later than the series, and the official Pokémon site (located at goes by the original television run, not normal standalone releases that we go by. Also, when the episode was initially aired in Japan, it was edited to air as an over 1 hour long special with the indicators of there being separate parts edited out as well (reruns restore it and keep it at its normal three part version) and in Japan, it was actually aired on TV - the dub was released long before the normal three part version was released in re-airings (because it originally aired in the dark days before re-release methods such as Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix, and other on demand subscription or reruns of it existed, so all that Japanese version viewers had to view the episodes was to catch them on the original airing and maybe tape them), and in the dub, it was released on DVD as a spin-off film while the Japanese version calls it an original series special in the normal standalone versions - it's likely that the dub list was based on the Japanese list of the original airings and therefore did not include any three part version of it that it's normally considered as a Jouto League special. Yeah, it didn't even air on TV in the dub release.

Also, for the Legend of Thunder special, it was originally aired as three parts in one, and we also consider it by its normal three part version which we consider it here, so it's not like splitting the Mewtwo one into the three parts version would be unprecedented. They treated that one as a whole special rather than the normal three part version, although that was a spin-off special, not a series special, but it's still the same treatment they gave to the Mewtwo one as with that, so it's best to also remain consistent. PokémonGamer* 01:19, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Sure give me a min

Nevermind this user just block him he's being anoying.

And this one needs to be blocked:

Due to impersonating another user so you notice as such... Kind Regards....Trainer Micah (talk) 02:22, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Will you stop, Sorry Lord you may want to talk with!

To get a full detailed report of what's been happening since August 20th alright Kind Regards have a great night sir....Trainer Micah (talk) 02:33, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

That or check my talk page you'll see the report, Kind regards..Trainer Micah (talk) 02:43, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know & if i spot anyone else misbehave or has an inappropriate manner or behavior i'll let you know that or you can check in with the other moderator's an talk with them.  So you notice and thank you & Kind Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 16:32, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
Also, everything's sorted out with the three parts of the Mewtwo Saga. I'm just not listing the trivia or appearing characters until I can sort out which ones appear in which part, as I'm the only one on this wiki who has the Japanese 3 part version to be able to know for myself. PokémonGamer* 03:42, August 26, 2017 (UTC)
Also, another thing, I don't think the Japanese spelling of Porygon-Z's name (ポリゴンZ) having a roman letter should be considered notable for a trivia point.
That said, I think it would be noteworthy to just have a trivia point for the first Pokémon name in the national Pokédex to have any character besides a katakana included. This would be Nidoran♀ (#29) but that would be it - native speakers of Japanese are expected to know or learn roman letters during their childhood in school for example, so the fact that Porygon-Z is the first Pokémon to have a Japanese name spelled with a roman letter shouldn't be notable. I only also find it noteworthy if it's a letter for another language such as Arabic or Korean because Japanese people are not expected to be able to read those types of characters, but there hasn't been any Pokémon yet including any Arabic, Korean, or even a kanji letter (and I know Korean letters are a 24 letter alphabet or something like that which are read as combined "blocks" but I can't read it because I never taught it to myself).
Also English is somewhat ingrained to speakers of the Japanese language (a basic level of English to Asians such as native Japanese people is referred to as "Engrish"), therefore you hear a lot of English dialogue being spoken by characters in games even when the text boxes are in Japanese (such as Mario for example), and why there's English lyrics in songs such as Mad-Paced Getter with katakana as furigana. Whether certain native Japanese people and others know English or not, all that matters is that native Japanese people generally know (because native Japanese people learn it in elementary school) the roman alphabet and know how every single syllable in the Japanese language is romanized, thus it shouldn't be noteworthy that Porygon-Z has a roman letter especially because Z is used elsewhere as well with this franchise where it's transliterated to katakana as ゼット (zetto) for those who don't know what the roman letter "Z" is with the pronunciation. Native Japanese people are expected to learn and know the roman alphabet at least when it comes to romanization so it shouldn't be considered notable that Porygon-Z uses a roman letter in the Japanese name spelling, because they are expected to know it or learn it during their childhood and that in katakana, that it is pronounced as "zetto" - it's not anything indecipherable to them and the 26 letter alphabet and the romanizations of the Japanese syllables is a basic subject they learn in elementary school, so IMO it shouldn't be special or notable that Porygon-Z uses a roman letter, the only thing that would be considered interesting in this respect is that Nidoran♀ is the first to include a non-katakana character, as it is usually expected for most Pokémon names to be written solely in katakana most of the time.
PokémonGamer* 04:43, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

Mod Request

Hello, Mam! It's Dragonlord from Fandom. I want to say, I wanna become a moderator. I'm continuously, legally, editing here and I'm a most active user there on Fandom. So, Can you please make me a "Discussion Moderator". I know, I'll do my job very well. So, Please make me for once. Gimme a congratulation message on my talk page by making me one of them. And, If you have a doubt on me then you can check my posts and Replies there, Timings, and Edits. Thanks! X Dragonlord (talk) 10:23, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

Unacceptable username

Can you block this account permanently for Unacceptable username? The username is essentially trying to say "eat that p****", and uses that as sexual slang, that's the explanation for why the name is inappropriate. PokémonGamer* 20:44, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

VA sources

I think it should be a rule to have sources for English voice actors. While Japanese voice actors can be found in the credits of an episode listed next to their role I believe and they are listed on TV Tokyo's page for the episode's airing., English voice actors have no role listed next to them in the credits and doing process of elimination with any special credits that appear is just speculation. We should make it a rule to have it officially stated by someone who has any position on the English dub staff or to contact voice actors or voice directors over social media, as that's the only way to confirm it and if one is unable to contact voice actors or simply refuses to, they should wait until someone else who can does it - there are enough people out there who know how to contact voice actors and the voice director, we don't need those who don't making a most likely inaccurate attempt at guessing who voiced a character. For example, Joe Crammond is one of the users who knows how to contact the voice director for the English dub via email to obtain cast lists for the dubbed episodes, so he already has a reliable source to get the English voice actors from which perfectly follows this policy I'm suggesting. I'm just saying, we shouldn't allow guessing based on the credits, we should only get it from clearer sources such as the dub production team themselves or through users who know how to contact voice directors or voice actors to obtain cast lists (Joe Crammond for example can contact the voice director to obtain cast lists without speculating, so that's the source where he got the Oluolu dub voice actor for example). PokémonGamer* 23:26, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, people have been posting that his Twitter confirmed it and I also checked because I saw what was posted, so that's good. I wasn't commenting on that, just to let you know. I know how the user Joe Crammond gets it from (and he's already checked that in with you last year) and as he has it on his Bulbapedia user page, he emails the voice director so that's his source 100% of the time and it's therefore always accurate. On Bulb, they require the user to submit an image of the email privately (due to it containing personal information, it cannot be disclosed publicly) and they require the sender's name and email to be mentioned to verify that the email is authentic, as anyone can send an email and if it doesn't mention the sender's name and address, it can easily be one they sent to themselves with their own email account - even Bulb admins have verified every single email message he's showed to them. PokémonGamer* 19:29, August 28, 2017 (UTC)


This user has been vandalizing 7 months later after being blocked. Can you block them for 6 months, given their previous block history? (He's even calling you Lord-deranged and saying the admins are corrupt) PokémonGamer* 11:31, August 29, 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind, they've been permanently blocked by Energy X. PokémonGamer* 11:33, August 29, 2017 (UTC)

Alain page

Can you unlock the Alain page, please? I just need to make a minor edit. DragonSpore18 (talk) 19:04 August 29, 2017 (UTC)

One spammer two accounts

Energy is sleeping, I guess? Anyways, Can you please block these two accounts? Username Lavendarghost and Lavendarghost1 Check out LavenderGhost1 on Pokemon. Check out LavenderGhost on Pokemon. Hah, See, that's why, I wanted to become a Mod! All mods are inactive right now. They don't know what's going there... Anyways, I don't wanna be scolded by you. Just block these please. Thanks X Dragonlord (talk) 06:27, September 1, 2017 (UTC)


Oh! But I never saw him anywhere even on talk pages at this time. Anyways, Thanks! I just can't see Spam there on wiki. I wanna see it like it "was". X Dragonlord (talk) 06:45, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

And yeah, I forgot one thing to say, Can I please get the permission to open Roleplay/battle posts only not Off-Topic posts. 'cuz the last post was 7 days ago. So, and mods are inactive there. So you notice. Thanks X Dragonlord (talk) 06:48, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

It's Getting on nerves!

Lord, He made a new username! Can't you block his "e-mail" or "unacceptable username"? Check out LavenderGhost2 on Pokemon. Thanks!X Dragonlord (talk) 06:55, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

Galleries help

Okay, then. But I'll still see what I can do.--Jokeman20 (talk) 18:08, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. Better this way.--Jokeman20 (talk) 18:19, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Because the katakana that spells the song name "Peace Smile" is trying to combine "Peace" and "Smile" unlike Bulb's inaccurate translation, should we maybe try to combine it as Peac-Smile or something like that? I'm asking in case you have different ideas on combining the words: ピース piisu and スマイル sumairu but they combine it as ピースマイル (pii-su-mairu. If it was ピーススマイル (piisu sumairu), it would be accurate, but it's not that. I just want to let you know, I'm fine with keeping DreamDream as it is rather than DreaDrea - because it is spelled in romanization that way in the furigana text on top of ドリドリ, so it is officially translated as that, I'd rather not combine it as Peacsmile without the dash because at least Peac-Smile - no matter how "awkward" it is, it's better than Bulb's translation.
I'm also asking how we should do the variants thing. There's three variants with 4 episodes using each variant then swapping for the next 4 episodes until episode 28 of XY (or episode 27, because the originally intended episode 24 was skipped, and the original cut of the Kuzumo and Dramidoro episode definitely no doubt had used the 3rd variant version). I think it may be best to list the three different variants in sections and use Monster Ball bullet points to list episodes it was in, and then list the full version.
I think we can also mention that the Kuzumo and Dramidoro episode's initial cut that went unaired due to the episode's postponement used the 3rd variant using a tooltip saying that the originally intended version of the episode that featured the 3rd variant's final use went unaired due to the postponement of the episode until when they started using different opening and ending theme songs.
You would've noticed I was hesitant to call the Kuzumo/Dramidoro ep "XY024" - that's because Energy X has approved renaming it to XY050 and renaming every episode after the 24 spot one episode back. As well as the moving of the postponed Christmas episodes of the Sekiei League to the order in which they aired (IL065, IL066). It's just that I haven't done that yet because I think I'll have more time tomorrow. This is because in re-releases, not just the first airing, the episode is packaged to be taken as an episode airing later and telling an earlier story of the Kalos region quest rather than an earlier episode airing later, and the dub treats it that way too. Even the re-releases changed the preview shown at the end of the XY023 episode with the gym match episode preview, not the Kuzumo and Dramidoro preview and the only reason the Kuzumo/Dramidoro ep preview was shown on the first airing was because XY023 was aired before the decision to skip Kuzumo and Dramidoro temporarily. Bulbapedia staff are basing it on the Get TV reruns, completely ignoring the official re-releases, but Bulbapedia administration is then again corrupt when it comes to some things, so there shouldn't be any surprise.
Bulb's Japanese wiki affiliate (there being a native Japanese friend of mine who's an admin on Bulb's Japanese wiki, this is one of the cases where I've spoken Japanese to him on Twitter btw), that wiki considers the Christmas ones specials due to airing outside of a normal time slot and date but I would still consider it a regular because the dub considers it that and the format and packaging of the episode considers it that as well. We can just mention the continuity retcons not being made as "mistakes" in terms of continuity errors, but it's officially still a later episode telling a story that happened long before it, whether it was intended to air earlier or not.

PokémonGamer* 03:36, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

The three variants thing is about X Strait Y Scenery. Certain lines are used depending on the episode. We can maybe use these to list the variants, for example:
  • Version 1 (XY001-XY004, XY013 - XY016, XY025 - XY028)

and the others like that as well above the sections for the versions of the songs. I actually object to listing only the full version now because of the order of the lyrics being specific. PokémonGamer* 19:44, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Hmm...just finished doing the infobox image renames to have that taken care of for tomorrow. However, there might still be links to the old image names, so it's best to check for that. PokémonGamer* 23:26, September 5, 2017 (UTC)
That's what I meant - for example, what we had considered as XY029 is now XY028 and we wouldn't want to have links to the previous XY029 link because it'll show an image from the wrong episode.
I have an idea for how to do the templates for the evolutions, I think we can consider all main series episodes that are later episodes that took place before (such as postponed ones) to count the amount of episodes it spent as a certain form, and put a tooltip saying "including XY050" or "including IL065 and IL066" or whatever episode it is.
PokémonGamer* 12:21, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
I think if we have dub title batches prior to scheduling or hear them from a trustworthy user (like how nhjm449 released a batch for XY099-XY105 from when the show was on Cartoon Network prior to scheduling), then we can use them and if they are changed later, to update the pages with such changes to the title. Such batches generally come from the people who work for the network like people on scheduling teams so they are officially confirmed (such as {Shadow}'s CN schedules, which came from CN mailing it out), and sure they are "tentative" by definition but that's because any TV schedule is tentative, not just dub title batches - Disney XD changed the title of a Lab Rats episode even after every other reliable source confirmed the episode as "Blindsided", including showfax, the casting recruit site that first revealed it due to being a live action show. Even Zap2it, a source we use here, listed it as "Blindsided" until Disney XD changed it at the last minute to "Lab Rats: On the Edge", so it is possible they can change them, but we can't help it and it certainly doesn't make them fake. Changes have never occurred to the dub title batches we've received (with the exception of minor ones like how the officially scheduled episode Dazzling the Nimbasa Gym! (initially had "Battle-" at the beginning of the title) and To Catch a Pokémon Smuggler! (initially had Smuggler as Monster) but those were very minor cases and were even confirmed official beforehand, and Japanese titles have had minor changes in the past, so all scheduling for the show is tentative until it airs and a dub title being listed on Zap2it or the Disney XD calendar with an air date does not make it "certain". Even an episode being listed on the official English Pokémon site does not make it certain because there is a very small chance that they will do something bizarre and rush to change it on the last day before airing (that's not happened yet, but is still a possibility). So I think we can use any unscheduled dub titles if they are official as to what we know, as long is comes from a trustworthy user or source and aren't completely fake (there were fake leaks for episodes XY106-XY110, but those were confirmed to be faked by some random fan out there who was making them up and had no source, anything that comes from an official unscheduled batch is real, and the possibility they'll change it is just like how they changed this one from Dark and Light to Light and Dark, but TPCi tends to change titles it appears only if they sound unnatural, so even if it's on any official site or any unofficial albeit trustworthy source like Zap2it, it's nonetheless tentative until it airs).
There was also some unscheduled Steven Universe episodes for Cartoon Network that had their English and Dutch titles unveiled at the same time because the person who revealed them is on a mailing list for Turner UK, according to which June would have some episodes with said listed titles in the Netherlands, and these episodes I believe aired in May in the US.
If we have any titles before the Japanese ones are revealed (see XY135, which we waited for official confirmation on to verify the episode order and the seemingly placeholder air date Zap2it listed, even if the title "Rocking Kalos Defenses!" was officially confirmed already, because there was also other information that needs to be confirmed too before adding them), then we should maybe wait until the Japanese ones are revealed since the production codes we sometimes receive from such primary sources prior to them being reported elsewhere are based on the dub season, so the episode's order is unknown for the original Japanese version and the dub order does not guarantee that the Japanese order will be the same and that they're the right episode, and a dub title being revealed from an unscheduled batch is not enough information to support the creation of the page until the Japanese title and air date is revealed. There's been content revealed in English before Japanese before but with dub titles if we get any before the Japanese one, it's best to wait until the Japanese order is confirmed before adding English titles to them but if the Japanese order has a title and order that makes it obvious that the English dub title belongs to it, then it is confirmed (that's how we confirm dub titles all the time).

PokémonGamer* 13:35, September 6, 2017 (UTC)

Edit: Turns out nhjm449 received those dub title batches from schedule files that also contained information on titles with an episode number without an air date, and those schedule files tend to be sent out from some of those who work for the network themselves. According to an as of August 31st schedule, they haven't scheduled anything for the first week of October as of then like Cartoon Network would do. Such files also contain information on the date it premiered at exactly which time of day too (it's EST time). And the file I received yesterday is surprisingly completely accurate and complete for every premiere from December 5, 2016-September 30, 2017, with all the season 17 and 18 titles listed (including the SM ones that are scheduled because that's the current running dub season). Most of the season 19 titles are listed with the latter ones being currently set to make their first rerun on Disney XD. XY141 isn't listed yet because it has yet to make its first rerun on the Disney XD channel, and the completed dubs of SM001/SM002 are treated as reruns, so only the December 5, 2016 date is listed. I think Cartoon Network still has the files for the old air dates.
If we receive any titles and air dates for the dub before Zap2it does, I will make sure to have that announced here. If you see me receiving and posting such titles before being reported elsewhere, then that's where it comes from.
PokémonGamer* 10:17, September 7, 2017 (UTC)

Can you check QueenCupcake 025 edit's

Seems the user hasn't learned from last time I report him So you notice here's what he said;

Mewtwo is my Sanpai and it gets annoying like I will kiss you So you notice who says that? Seriously he really needs to learn if he continues worn him. After a 2nd worning block him again but make it longer.

So you notice kind regards....Trainer Micah (talk) 10:31, September 7, 2017 (UTC) 

I reverted it but kept in the typo fixes. If it ever starts to become vandalism (where the user is creating pages about it, in which case I can just safely delete them and move on), then I think it would warrant a block then. PokémonGamer* 11:37, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
Well, I already reverted the edits to prevent them from showing up in the wiki history.
And yeah, to help me verify information for the dub, I have these which give me another reliable source which were sent out to me yesterday from Disney XD themselves from those who manage their scheduling (it lists all the dub titles for season 17-20 that have aired and those that are scheduled, and XY141 has not yet aired on the Disney XD channel so that's not listed there), I got it from them for accuracy and for having up to date ones, so I'll be sure to let everyone know if there's ones I have that no one else is aware of yet if I ever receive these before Zap2it, since these are the same listings that Zap2it uses (and we do use such listings as reliable, official confirmation), and I might get updated listings in the future.
So in case anything needs to be verified for English dub titles, I also have another source to obtain schedules from (as well as to verify air dates that occurred in the past). And yeah, that is as of August 31st (so they don't have the first week of October just at the end of the past little over one month like Cartoon Network did), so I'll know if the next month is scheduled or not.
And if a Pokémon is found through datamining or hacking, should we lock the page from creation right away until they have been confirmed? That's because of the amount of times we had to delete the Volcanion page before it was confirmed, and the reason is because the Pokémon could, for all we know just be junk data that the developers added in for if they'll use it.
And if something's datamined or hacked such as a move, should we just lock it from creation until CoroCoro has leaked or when it's officially confirmed? CoroCoro leaks tend to come from people who get early copies such as those who work for retail stores, but we tend to take them as official confirmation as Magearna's page was first created when CoroCoro leaked. The reason why Bulbapedia adds stuff that comes from datamining and hacking and is not confirmed is because they are obsessed with getting such unconfirmed information up there as early as possible for sensationalist publicity regardless of confirmation (like how Serebii is with Japanese titles).

PokémonGamer* 18:28, September 7, 2017 (UTC)

I will check the ones you haven't changed yet and try to get those changed. PokémonGamer* 18:39, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
I got your message & your welcome anytime you two....Trainer Micah (talk) 22:13, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
There are titles where there's no way to accurately translate a pun in the Japanese language. Would that be best to mention the pun in the trivia if there's no way to work out the translation to translate the pun? PokémonGamer* 12:50, September 8, 2017 (UTC)



I was surfing through the article 'Ash-Greninja'. It notified me about the major problem of the use of tenses. I decided to edit it, sorted out some paragraphs with episodes and changed the sentences in past to present. I sought to edit the whole article at first but I don't know if the quality of my editing is acceptable. So would you mind looking into it? I made changes upto XY013. Tell me whether it is acceptable. I would proceed to edit the rest after your decision.

Thanks in advance


Silent Songbird (talk) 08:14, September 10, 2017 (UTC)


Excuse me, Lordranged. If you're putting the episodes codes in the right order, can I help as well?--Jokeman20 (talk) 11:56, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Jokeman20 (talk) 14:11, September 10, 2017 (UTC)

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