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At this point in the discussion, I think we're going to need to take a step back and make some conceptual decisions. In particular, we need to decide whether we want to use the official Pokemon logo or not. It seems that there is a split in the community on this fundamental matter. Some of you are saying we absolutely should, others are specifically rejecting that notion. So let's try to get some consensus around this question:

Do we use the official Pokemon logo in our wordmark or not?

Place your answers below, please. — CzechOut @fandom 17:48, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes

Support Support: Yes--Monfernape_If any problem? 13:47, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Support Support: Maybe yes! I think it's fine to use the official logo. Nectaria 025 (talk) 14:32, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Support Support: Fine With Me BelieveInMagic814 (talk) 16:08, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Support Support: Yes. --Shockstorm (talk) 16:43, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Support Support: This is what makes us original. Mascots are fine, but we already have Marriland, Bulb and Serebii (and others), all that use their own mascots. I think having a neutral logo shows some balance. Energy X 18:38, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Support Support: It would be nice to use the official Pokémon logo --Lordranged7 (talk) 19:44, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Support Support: Sounds good. Oie 10212229jWXJS1fVZeoSpark Wall Contribs  20:25,10/8/2014 
The following comment has been moved from the "no" section, because the user does indeed support using the official logo. Because the image of a proposed wordmark was mistakenly included when this thread was started, he apparently believed he was voting the proposed wordmark up or down. That's not the point of the thread. What we're trying to do is merely to figure out whether we want to use the Pokemon official logo in our wordmark, something he actually supports.
Support Support: Honestly, I don't like [the first wordmark proposal]. The best would be to use the official logo, yes, but with one variation, and as Remaai said, using the actual company's mascot is lack of originality. I'm not saying "Hey, let's make Mareep our mascot", but yes to use something different. Something that also fits the new background we're having. I also like the idea of having "Wiki" in the same colors and fonts, but maybe it can be a little more stylized. 382Adrián Perry GZ383 02:27, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

No

Oppose Oppose: No, because I think the title should be simple like a plain font with the mascot of this site next to it. Ellis99 CODE XANA 18:04, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, what's the mascot of this site? I don't think you guys have chosen yet, have you? — CzechOut @fandom 04:37, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose: I don't think we should. I like the Word Pokemon being in different fonts with the Newest Legendaries somewhere in it to change it up a bit. --GamerTimeUS (talk) 16:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand this statement. What does the phrase "Newest Legendaries" mean? (I checked, you guys don't have a page on that phrase.) When you say "different fonts" what do you mean, specifically? — CzechOut @fandom 04:37, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
I mean that the wordmark could have the like Kyogre and Groundon in it since ORAS is coming out and by font I mean different text styles. --GamerTimeUS (talk) 00:27, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
"Different fonts" mean different fonts, Bulbapedia have their name in a plain simplistic font, that's what a font is and "Newest Legendaries" means the latest ones. Ellis99 CODE XANA 10:12, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Oppose Oppose: I'm going to diagree with using the official logo simply because of two main reason which I believe everyone above me has already made: the colour, the mascot. The colour of the wiki and the colour of the background and wordmark is something which really should be matching colours to make it more asthetically pleasing. And we either don't use the official logo to do that, or we change this wiki's colour scheme to bright yellow and blue (which would probably not look that great, unless you got just the right colour yellow). The ehole point of having the forum about the wiki's mascot was so that we could have some sort of originality in the wiki. By using the official logo we are removing that originality which most of us wanted and redering the other forum I mentioned pointless. RainbowShifter 06:41, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
Please see #Colour palette?, below. — CzechOut @fandom 04:37, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe?

The following user originally placed these comments into the "no" section, but their position is unclear. They do support using at least elements of the official logo, so they're not a firm no.
  • It fails to give the site a distinctive brand, like bulbapedia, serebii, etc. Someone pointed out that there are already sites with their own mascot, and the pokemon logo will lend us an air of neutrality. However, those are all successful, and does anyone really think bulbapedia is unbalanced because bulbasaur is their mascot? If we simply use the pokemon logo, we will look like just another pokemon wiki and will have no name or icon recognition.
Again, you guys haven't chosen a mascot. My design can't include elements that don't exist. Also, as I've explained elsewhere, Bulbapedia doesn't have a "mascot". They have a name, an actual brand. You guys are called "the Pokémon Wiki". They actually are Bulbapedia. — CzechOut @fandom 04:37, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Yes I know. I think it is an issue. Bulbapedia has a brand, but branding is not just in the name. For example, the pokemon franchise is a brand, but pikachu is their mascot. That's kinda what I was hoping the community would support, but I don't see anyone else that thinks it's necessary. ~remaai Mini egg 07:36, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
  • It will not match the style or color palette of the site.
Please see #Colour palette?CzechOut @fandom 04:37, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • Elements of the official logo would be fine, but don't just use the pokemon font [for additional words in the wordmark].
  • Whatever we do, we should not use pikachu in the logo. Pikachu is the official mascot of the actual company, and using it would show a lack of originality in the community, and lend us no significant presence.

~remaai Mini egg 17:18, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

I'm go for anything that is different from what we have now, however, it should be "fresh" "original" and portraying to the common theme of the wiki, whether it be the current coloring, or the coloring that will come about as a result of the ORAS background and such not. Avingnon  (talk)  16:54,10/12/2014  0 edits

Again, guys, what is this colouring you're talking about? I don't see any consistent colour palette. Look at w:c:bejeweled or w:c:disneyfairies or w:c:doping. That's a colour palette. There are consistent colours seen in consistent places. I honestly don't see that here. So it makes it hard to assess whether a wordmark fits into that scheme. — CzechOut @fandom 15:36, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

I think having a few concepts might be nice to see what people like, some with the logo and some without the Pokémon logo. Ellis99 CODE XANA 18:40, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

We only have that. There are also some older ones, but they all seem odd. Energy X 18:42, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I must agree with you on that because I've seen them, did CzechOut create this wordmark. Ellis99 CODE XANA 18:46, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I created it. I have no problem providing alternatives, but neither do I want to provide what the community clearly isn't interested in. The point of this discussion is not, as the title misleadingly says, to "vote for the wordmark", but rather to decide whether the official logo should be used in that wordmark. Once that decision has been made, then I can provide alternatives that include the official logo — or don't, depending on the outcome of this discussion — and you can choose from those. — CzechOut @fandom 13:37, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Colour palette?

I see in some of the no votes above that there is a contention this site has a colour palette. Obviously, if I had noticed one, I would have made a wordmark that fit into that scheme. But, guys, with all due respect, you guys don't have a colour palette. I've random-paged twenty times, and there's a different set of colours on every one. Different colours for different infoboxes, different colours on tables. So I gotta ask, what do you guys believe is the color palette of this wiki? Has someone written it down somewhere so i can get exact hex or rgb values? And are you really following through with that scheme in all your graphical elements? — CzechOut @fandom 04:16, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

It is all the coding of infoboxes, can't do much about it. It has been our way. We primarily use blue color (though I wouldn't mind to see a bit of red). Anyway, I don't think anyone has worried about stuff like that, though they (or we) should. Energy X 10:02, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
We could have Primal Kyogre or Kyogre? Ellis99 CODE XANA 15:32, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
Are you saying you want the colours of those characters? Or is this your choice of mascot? — CzechOut @fandom 15:38, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think the logo should contain the Legendary Pokémon. Instead, it should be in a background, which can be changed by season. The logo, however, shouldn't be changed too often, it should be on a permanent basis. Since people don't like Pikachu to be included, I guess the only option is with the Poké Ball. Energy X 09:15, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
What I'm think isn't temporary, having a Water-type Pokémon goes with this site's colouring, if we aren't to have a Pokémon, I would advise on having the Dive Ball as the logo. Ellis99 CODE XANA 15:08, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

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