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If you haven't noticed, these boxes we use for images of moves stack up on one another and they is organized. Not only that, the size of the box changes due to certain images, but sometimes it looks crazy. So I propose that we create a gallery subpage for a move, this way we can seperate the images properly and have a consistent space. Plenty of wikis have gallery subpages for things. I'm mostly focusing on move pages, but other pages can be used too. An example of how a move gallery subpage would look would be like Energy Ball Gallery. Aside from the games, we don't have to use one image per generation (region) in the anime and manga. While we know some moves differ in appearance in serieses, Pokémon also use moves differently. This is a good way to list all of the Pokémon in the anime and manga to know a move, just as we list what Pokémon can learn the move. Loading time won't be much of an issue really due to the page mainly containing images and not a bunch of data and images. Plus we have a category like this loads perfectly fine with over 150 images on it. I doubt we'd even have that many galleries that reach 100 images anyway. Those are just rare cases.

Support

Support: As the one who suggested it. --Rai 水 (talk) 16:36, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Support: it's a good change. Ελισάβετ^(talk)_(εποχή) 17:04, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Support: --Annabeth and Percy ~They say you gotta take the good with the bad. I'll take it all as long as I have you. 17:08, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Support: I actually love the idea of gallery subpages being added. It should be done. Mewtwoclone (talk) 02:45, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Support: Sure thing, I think it's a nice change. Felix Vašečka (talk) 17:34, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral

Neutral: I have to go with being neutral with this one. I think it will be a good idea to showcase the moves but at the other hand, galleries are going to have too many images of moves that are used many times in the anime (like Hyper Beam for example). That was why the galleries were removed in the first place from the pages some time ago. So I am not sure to either support or oppose this.--Lordranged7 (talk) 18:28, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral: Well, sure. I don't see why not. It's much better this way.--Jokeman20 (talk) 19:54, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral: Even though I have seen galleries like this being used at several other wiki's, I am not really sure if this should be added. I feel it might be a bit too much. Misch60 (talk) 20:35, August 26, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral: It sounds like a good idea , boxes are terrible, but im afraid that it might cause slower net to have problems. Anyway i lean more to positive than to negative.Tom-RagingEevee (talk) 18:10, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

Neutral: I have many differing opinions on this. One on hand, I see where Rachin comes from and on the other, I see where X comes from. Ellis99 ^Volcanion 11:05, September 2, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

Oppose: We never have done this. It is just a lazy way to add tons of images onto one article. Besides, there are times where there is just one image of a move used in the anime and times when it is used too much. And then there are also the times when the scene used is just copy-pasted for Pokémon belonging to other characters. You also need to know about the time to load articles. Slaying and his friend did change infoboxes, one of the reasons to reduce loading page time. We already scrapped out such galleries before and used those templates, to show how the image changed from one generation to the other. As said before, it is not much of a big deal; if it must, the images of main characters' (plus some related ones, like anime/manga counterparts) Pokémon can be added in a different gallery. And even if it is placed into the new page, how will it affect the reader? I do not think such a drastic change is welcome. And once this starts, I fear more pages will be affected by this "transition". In a few words, this gallery business is highly unprofessional. Energy X 22:20, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose: Unfortunately, I do have to agree with Energy. Not only is it a lazier way to add images but this is more likely to make the wiki rather unprofessional than helpful. Mrs.red bird #1 girl in the world! 23:34, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Oppose: I agree with what X says. There aren't man images on articles anyways. Utkar 22 17:23, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

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+If you haven't noticed, these boxes we use for images of moves stack up on one another and they is organized. Not only that, the size of the box changes due to certain images, but sometimes it looks crazy. So I propose that we create a gallery subpage for a move, this way we can seperate the images properly and have a consistent space. Plenty of wikis have gallery subpages for things. I'm mostly focusing on move pages, but other pages can be used too. An example of how a move gallery subpage would look would be like [[User:Rachin123/Energy Ball Gallery|Energy Ball Gallery]]. Aside from the games, we don't have to use one image per generation (region) in the anime and manga. While we know some moves differ in appearance in serieses, Pokémon also use moves differently. This is a good way to list all of the Pokémon in the anime and manga to know a move, just as we list what Pokémon can learn the move. Loading time won't be much of an issue really due to the page mainly containing images and not a bunch of data and images. Plus we have a category like [[:Category:Generation I Pokémon|this]] loads perfectly fine with over 150 images on it. I doubt we'd even have that many galleries that reach 100 images anyway. Those are just rare cases.
-For some time I've been wanted to create gallery subpages for moves used in the anime and manga. The reason for this is because not only will we get to see the change in appearance of the move in each series, but can list all of the Pokémon in the anime and manga to use the move, where we can also see the different ways it used (as some Pokémon use moves differently). An example of what I mean would be like [[User:Rachin123/Anime Gallery|Energy Ball/Anime Gallery]]. The only gallery I think that should kept on the move page is the game gallery. The anime and manga galleries will be linked on the page in a "See also" section.
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 {{Support}} it's a good change. [[User:Slayingthehalcyon|Ελισάβετ]]<sup>([[User talk:Slayingthehalcyon|talk]])</sup><sub>([[w:c:elisavetera|εποχή]])</sub> 17:04, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
 {{Support}} --[[User:Annabeth and Percy|<span style="color:Purple;font-family:Arial Black;">Annabeth and Percy</span>]][[User talk:Annabeth and Percy|<span style="color:DarkViolet;font-family:Arial">~They say you gotta take the good with the bad. I'll take it all as long as I have you.</span>]] 17:08, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Support}} I actually love the idea of gallery subpages being added. It should be done. [[User:Mewtwoclone|Mewtwoclone]] ([[User talk:Mewtwoclone|talk]]) 02:45, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Support}} Sure thing, I think it's a nice change. [[User:Felix Vašečka|Felix Vašečka]] ([[User talk:Felix Vašečka|talk]]) 17:34, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
 ==Neutral==
 {{Neutral}} I have to go with being neutral with this one. I think it will be a good idea to showcase the moves but at the other hand, galleries are going to have too many images of moves that are used many times in the anime (like [[Hyper Beam]] for example). That was why the galleries were removed in the first place from the pages some time ago. So I am not sure to either support or oppose this.--[[User:Lordranged7|Lordranged7]] ([[User talk:Lordranged7|talk]]) 18:28, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
 {{Neutral}} Well, sure. I don't see why not. It's much better this way.--[[User:Jokeman20|Jokeman20]] ([[User talk:Jokeman20|talk]]) 19:54, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Neutral}} Even though I have seen galleries like this being used at several other wiki's, I am not really sure if this should be added. I feel it might be a bit too much. [[User:Misch60|Misch60]] ([[User talk:Misch60|talk]]) 20:35, August 26, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Neutral}} It sounds like a good idea , boxes are terrible, but im afraid that it might cause slower net to have problems. Anyway i lean more to positive than to negative.[[User:Tom-RagingEevee|Tom-RagingEevee]] ([[User talk:Tom-RagingEevee|talk]]) 18:10, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Neutral}} I have many differing opinions on this. One on hand, I see where Rachin comes from and on the other, I see where X comes from. <span style="background:darkred">'''[[User:Ellis99|<font color="paleturquoise">Ellis99</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ellis99|<font color="sandybrown"><sup>Volcanion</sup></font>]]'''</span> 11:05, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
 ==Oppose==
 {{Oppose}} We never have done this. It is just a lazy way to add tons of images onto one article. Besides, there are times where there is just one image of a move used in the anime and times when it is used too much. And then there are also the times when the scene used is just copy-pasted for Pokémon belonging to other characters. You also need to know about the time to load articles. Slaying and his friend did change infoboxes, one of the reasons to [http://pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Energy_X#Templates_RE:_to_bunnies_TP reduce loading page time]. We already scrapped out such galleries before and used those templates, to show how the image changed from one generation to the other. As said before, it is not much of a big deal; if it must, the images of main characters' (plus some related ones, like anime/manga counterparts) Pokémon can be added in a different gallery. And even if it is placed into the new page, how will it affect the reader? I do not think such a drastic change is welcome. And once this starts, I fear more pages will be affected by this "transition". In a few words, this gallery business is highly unprofessional. '''<span style="background:purple">[[User:Energy X|Energy]] ''[[User talk:Energy X|X]]''</span>''' 22:20, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Oppose}} Unfortunately, I do have to agree with Energy. Not only is it a lazier way to add images but this is more likely to make the wiki rather unprofessional than helpful. Mrs.red bird #1 girl in the world! 23:34, August 25, 2016 (UTC)
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-{{Comment}} @Lord Aside from the games, the anime and manga images of a move will have their own galleriy page. They'll just be linked to the actual move page in question. And it's not all moves that would have tons of images. My [[User:Rachin123/Anime Gallery|Energy Ball/Anime Gallery]] has 25 images and the loading time isn't a problem. So I don't think loading time won't start to beecome a bit slower until the gallery reaches like 75 images, maybe. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:46, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
+{{Oppose}} I agree with what X says. There aren't man images on articles anyways. [[User:Utkar22|Utkar]][[User talk:Utkar22|22]]  17:23, August 28, 2016 (UTC)
-{{Comment}} @X How on earth is my proposal lazy? And how is it unprofessional? If you don't like it, fine, but make sense in your argument. There is absolutely nothing wrong with creating a gallery page for a move used in the anime and manga when we are not only showing how it looks in different serieses, but the ways it is used (some Pokémon use it differently) and we are informed of what Pokémon in the anime and manga have used it. We are getting no downside to this. You used the Hyper Beam example, well yes it is used quite a bit, but certainly not enough to make a page so slow. You guys originally placed all of the images of all of times Hyper Beam was used in the same page as the main article, and that was your mistake there. If a bunch of images was a problem, then categories like [[:Category:Generation I Pokémon|Generation I Pokémon]] that now include images of all the Pokémon introduced in it would not be used. That's 151 images and it's about a 2-4 second load time just for completion, and that's including other stuff on that page. These move galleries won't even have 100 images, never mind 151, even for as many Pokémon that have used the move in question in the anime and manga. So load time won't be a problem for the gallery pages. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 01:17, August 25, 2016 (UTC)