User talk:Lordranged7

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Message
I see, I thank you for your response

I'm really sorry for the inconvenience then, I will make sure to not repeat it.

Regards,

Silent Songbird (talk) 08:38, September 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, here's the leaked scan for Radial Edge Storm if there's any additional information you may find on there. Already added the Japanese characters for the name to the page by typing it as seen in that image. And yeah, it describes it as 「ルガルガン専用のＺワザ」 (meaning "Lugarugan's exclusive Z move")  Pokémon Gamer  * 11:43, September 13, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Categories
Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Just wanted to improve the pages. I was checking to see what categories are missing and "Cities" was already added for different locations and existed on the category page.--Jokeman20 (talk) 12:26, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Learnset
How do you edit the learnset? When I click on edit, the table disappears from there, leaving along only the sub-headings.

Template
How do you remove the templates like 'This article needs an image', 'this article is a stub' etc?

Silent Songbird (talk) 07:49, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

I'm offended. I didn't copy the image of the maps (routes, cities) from there since I took them in-game. Please do not mistake me for the person who put the pictures in the article keystone. I didn't do it Silent Songbird (talk) 11:28, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Well, it is because I use a map editor to take out the full-size image and that in Bulbapedia is a full-size image too. I'm sure the users of Bulbapedia use it too. https://imgur.com/a/Z0pE8 As you can see, it is how I take the route images from the game. Silent Songbird (talk) 12:33, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Images
Sorry Lord I don't what came over me. I guess I really watned to add these because I went out control and lost sight of my common sense. I didn't wish to start warring. All I'm do ask for forgivness.
 * If he uploaded over the same file names, then he's not really trying to own the image in my belief. Although his source is the same (the torrented copies of the first broadcasts), just with a much bigger size to display, all I can say is that the changes aren't of noteworthy difference if it's from the same source with the same quality, but that doesn't mean he's trying to "own" them. He did what I suggested, he isn't making new duplicate files. I too always get the feeling "I need to be the one to upload this" but I never try to make a duplicate if someone beats me to it and I always accept it. He's no longer making duplicates, he's just uploading over the same file name, which is okay.
 * I've only changed images in the style if the dub image is a bit blurrier but the Amazon Prime image is far better. Amazon Prime works like Hulu, it's a legally supported streaming method where it can be payed annually (annually instead of monthly like Hulu), and then you are licensed to view the full episodes, allowing fair use screenshots to be taken from them at 1080p from the video player (they have options for HD too), and their qualities are far better than the torrents of the first airings. For example, this one is from the Amazon Prime release of the episode's Japanese original, and all Japanese episodes of the anime are available legally there (except for IL038, which is skipped over from 37 to 39 due to having a risk of seizures). But those are the only "noteworthy" differences in changing the images, if the image is slightly blurry and the Amazon Prime release is better (because Amazon always has the best versions of the episodes, including content skipped on the first airings).
 * The only down side with the Amazon Video Prime releases is that they do not release an episode until the next episode after it has aired on TV. This is because an episode released through Amazon Prime always features the "next episode preview", but they don't serve to promote an unreleased episode unlike how they do it on TV, they just give encouragement to stay tuned for the next episode by showing a sneak peek of what the viewer will watch next in the playlist. That would be misleading if they postponed or banned an episode, so they wait until the next episode airs because when the next episode airs, it's guaranteed it'll come next in the playlist, so they put the episode before that. So it is always an episode behind the airing, but it's still a legal source with better quality. Hulu never cares for that, because the previews they show are based on the first airings anyway. The only episode I say I'd have to obtain illegally is those special ones that are not on Prime or Hulu that have to be obtained from an illegal copy of an episode airing as well as IL038, which is banned and the only copies of it available are illegal copies reproduced by people who taped it 20 years ago when it only aired once. The only legal method to watch it is a VHS tape, but we can't get images from it unless it's digitized.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 17:19, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Images
As you may have noticed, I have been reuploading the images to enlargen them or simply remove the watermarks. Anyway, can you reupload the images of Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga (starting from DPA001: In Search of the Legendary Pokémon Dialga!!)? Thing is, the images are quite small, and here you have them at a much bigger resolution.  Energy X  21:58, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm mainly doing those in the cases of small images, there are many of those that need to be changed certainly and I'm mainly talking about those copied from Filb, and the changes to any color on existing images if there are any incorrect colors that are too light or too dark and sharpening images to make them clearer are minor and only involve photoshopping, although I'm not putting too much of a focus on it. I'm waiting to access a legal source to do the latest episode's images however so I'm considering buying an Amazon Prime Japan subscription (it's an annual cost). I can access the latest episodes including content that is not shown on the first airings (such as Japanese Hulu), but they have a copy protection preventing me from taking screenshots from the video player.
 * For the Pokémon puppets thing, Energy X has said it would be best to not include the pages for each short (in other words, removing the PUPPET01 page and instead of keeping it there, expanding it to include a full episode list and an overview page of the series).
 * He says we should still have a page covering it, but we shouldn't make all these tiny pages, we should just have a single page listing all of the major overall information about what it is, that way we're not focusing heavily on it and the only thing we need to do is add to the list when a new title is revealed for it.
 * There's no reason to remove and re-add anything, unless if it's a self-revert where the user has made an edit and they immediately after see a reason not to include that edit on second thought and reverts it right after, but there's no need to do it as it produces the exact same result as leaving the page as it is.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:53, September 22, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, it would be slightly better to have them decapitalized from .PNG to .png .  Energy X  09:56, September 23, 2017 (UTC)

Opening and ending theme songs
If there are any opening and ending theme songs that are temporarily used for a few episodes then switched back, should we have that noted on the theme songs page as well? This is the case for SM044, where they'll be switching back to the Alola!! OP and abandon the temporary Mezase Pokémon Master OP.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:56, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

AG101
Can you help change the "number of episode in the season" in the opening sentences of the Advanced Battle episodes? I've already done up to AG103. This is required to stay consistent with the BW episodes, which still count the episodes even past the postponed ones.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:33, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

Zbtb7 deletion
Pardon me, but I noticed you deleted the "Zbtb7" page I made, with the reason given being "fully copied from wikipedia". Firstly, I did not take anything from wikipedia, besides the fact that it was there that I first read about the subject. I just wrote the information I had read about it in my own words. The way you put this makes it seem like I literally copy and pasted the entire thing wikipedia, which is ridiculous because the wording I used was nothing like the wording on the wikipedia article for most of the page. Your reason for deleting it essentionally boils down to "it gives the same information as the wikipedia page", which is, to be frank, a pretty stupid reason, given that it's pretty apparant that I can only put the information that is known about it, which is naturally going to be near enough the same information as whoever make the wikipedia article. Not to mention I did original research, and purposefully found references not given by the wikipedia article, (this one from Nature where the gene's discovery was published for example) as well as included information not on the wikipedia article about the Pokemon name still being used (to which I  included   these two references from the National Center for Biotechnology Information). Moreover, the fact that you automatically deleted the page now means I have no way of accessing it's contents to actually prove any of my points.

Can you please explain why exactly you did this automatically, and why you seem to think I "fully copied" the page from Wikipedia? Deflactionspiral (talk) 08:50, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don’t get it either. I think that Zbtb7 should definitely be a page on this subreddit, since it’s directly related to The Pokémon Company. 09:20, September 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * "Alright, I restract the 'fully' part because you did have some more information than the wikipedia page but a big part was from the wikipedia page but you added words or rephrased them different. You did however add two more references to the page, which I give you credit for, but you could have created/rephrased the sentences more to make it more that you have written it yourself. However, the page you created is not something we cover on this wiki. Like it or not, we mostly cover things that are connected/related to the Pokémon franchise and not so sincerely the Pokémon Company. -- Lordranged7 ( talk) 11:39, September 27, 2017 (UTC)" 


 * Firstly, I would have appreciated it if you actually mentioned this as a reason when deleting the page instead of just putting it down to "copying stuff from wikipedia" (which I still refute in the first place. I never even took inspiration from wikipedia's article). People can't be expected to know what they actually did wrong if people don't tell them. But more over, I still think it should be entitled to having a page. It's not as though there aren't already pages relating to out of universe real world content. Idkanymore23 (talk) 11:51, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * It sounds silly to make a page that uses the "Pokémon" term and say it is about cancer. At best, as said, it can go into trivia section.  Energy X  12:14, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * It’s related to The Pokémon Company, so it fits on this wiki.
 * Perhaps it could be included in the trivia section of The Pokémon Company, though. 12:15, September 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, I laughed when reading the article (I, and other Content Moderators and admins can view deleted things).
 * Still though, I don't think it belongs, since it has zero to do with the Pokémon franchise - the company has more relevance to the franchise, but one little detail that's more relevant to cancer research shouldn't be notable to be given an article. Even if The Pokémon Company recognizes that topic, it still wouldn't belong and is too trivial with an VERY incredibly small percentage of relevance to the subject, and is nothing related to the actual franchise itself. If we can find where to put it if it has relevance enough, it can go there instead, but it's too unimportant for an article like that.
 * Wikia's Terms of Use require attribution to be given to content copied from Wikipedia, as it has a compatible license with us, unlike Bulbapedia or any other EP wiki in that regard. However, it is best to stay creative and word things our own way.
 *  Pokémon Gamer  * 16:07, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

News
Are you any good with providing news? I have updated the template and placed it on the main page; it only needs someone to continuously update it.  Energy X  11:04, September 28, 2017 (UTC)

Vandal
Special:Contributions/Doggyplayer101.  Pokémon Gamer  * 18:28, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

DP098
Only the link needs to be changed to remove the italicized part, and I renamed it because it is awkward when visiting its page to have the wiki coding if it's not even going to work anyway. It displayed as Wear (rather than Wear) so that wiki coding was useless and confusing. It still needs to be italicized when referring to it though in a template.

Like this:
 * If The Scarf Fits, Wear It!

Which will display this:
 * If The Scarf Fits, Wear It!

 Pokémon Gamer  * 12:52, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Another vandal
Special:Contributions/Pops8459394.  Pokémon Gamer  * 18:38, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Gallery
Okay. Thanks for the advice. I was only doing the best I can. It's the specials and magna part that's puzzling me.--Jokeman20 (talk) 19:17, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * In case you're wondering what I'm doing with the many page moves, I'm actually sorting the Chronicles episodes into their Japanese Pikachu shorts numbers and their Japanese specials numbers while working it in with the Chronicles navigation. I discussed this with Energy X as the PC code misleadingly implies that it is only a Chronicles episode, and that it is not a Pikachu short or special - as the PC code causes issues with consistency and makes them seem like they're not others specials or that anything under Chronicles cannot be a Pikachu short, despite some of them being Pikachu shorts and others specials as well. I think it's best if I can work on moving the numbers myself so it doesn't cause confusion, since I will be having the red links and page titles corrected soon.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 02:54, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Edits
As you can see, I have been doing a bit of TCG on my own. I just don't know how to detect those rarities, or place the JP names. (There is the category so the missing info can be filled up.) This is the site for those cards. Unfortunately, there aren't that many cards, and it is likely those are copied from other sites, too. Maybe you can find out if the source is legit enough for us to use?

Also, what about this? Are there really two cards sharing the same name in the same set?  Energy X  19:54, October 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll still be using the site to post articles, just not upload any images. Then I can later have that site closed and turned into a redirect, at least.  Energy X  21:04, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * If you have any images of the cards, then you can link me to them and I'll just type out the Japanese name and tell you what it means.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:10, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

Bot
Made a separate account for bot. Do I have your approval for it?  Energy X  21:15, October 6, 2017 (UTC)

Rename images
Can you rename that Kiawe Marowak Flame Wheel.png image into Kiawe Marowak Flare Blitz.png, please? And maybe upload pictures of it using Shadow Bone, Iron Head, and Headbutt? DragonSpore18 (talk) October 7, 2017 12:52 (UTC)

TCG
Any enthusiasm left to also do the next TCG set, Shining Legends?  Energy X  14:22, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good. I just have to remind the importance of doing this newest set, all because of the news template.  Energy X  19:13, October 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * I've already done the re-numbering, so it's okay to change the links now since it won't lead to any confusion as I've already moved the pages and made newer consistent SS/PK codes for those.  Pokémon Gamer  * 00:01, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but this user has been copying images from Bulbapedia (see image resolution) and has made unnecessary edits, pages etc. Silent Songbird (talk) 04:52, October 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but this user has been copying images from Bulbapedia (see image resolution) and has made unnecessary edits, pages etc. Silent Songbird (talk) 04:52, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Well, before I answer, are there any other TCG sets that also have this situation - different artwork and code, but everything else is the same?  Energy X  13:45, October 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, I guess you could place those two cards into the same article. Just use |image2= for the other card image, and place the "|english bonus=" for the second set, and "|english bonus number=" for the bonus number. Oh, and yeah, the "|image2=" needs the previous card image (due to the tabber name), while "|image=" for the current card.  Energy X  13:54, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

"|image3=" was added. Although, why three cards is beyond me.  Energy X  14:03, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Lists
I've been changing lists without all those inline styles. Anyway, I can't identify the rarities of "RA", "UR" (maybe Ultra Rare) and "RS" in here.  Energy X  14:41, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Rarities
When there are two cards in the same article, it would be better to write out which card has the rarities from the card pack. Which one has Uncommon and Ultra Rare rarity?  Energy X  19:04, October 11, 2017 (UTC)

OP themes
First suggestion: Should we just consider the first three episodes of the Orange League to use the Pokémon Theme OP theme? I just checked the dub DVD (as I own a copy of it) and every episode plays through without the opening and ending. It runs in a "playlist", where the opening song is a 1:01 length video and then the episodes on the disc play after it. However, the opening song is listed as Pokémon World simply because it is the "general" opening of the arc, the first 3 episodes still use Pokémon Theme. While the episodes play through without their opening or ending as those are separate tracks on the playlist, the opening song bumper shows the one from Pokémon Theme, so the DVD does recognize that those 3 episodes use Pokémon Theme, while the DVD's own opening uses Pokémon World. However, Pokémon Theme is used in the episodes themselves, which is why every other release uses Pokémon Theme on their version. Notice how the episodes other than those first three use the Pokémon World opening tag, that's because while the DVD uses Pokémon World, the three episodes individually use Pokémon Theme. Since there is no release that has those three particular episodes as Pokémon World in the opening, maybe it should be changed back to Pokémon Theme in the templates. After all, opening songs in television are a separate concept from season and opening songs do not follow by season and this is the case for any television show out there, not just the English dub of Pocket Monsters.

Second suggestion: I think it's best to list the episode lists by Japanese series rather than dub season. I don't want to get rid of the dub season pages - we should maybe keep them there, but as a suggestion, to base dub seasons on how TPCi's official site does it. The reason is because TPCi's website is basing it on the standard definition of a season in television - a season in television is considered based on the number of episodes produced (or some cases, aired) consecutively before going on a break, or at least the way they were produced. It has nothing to do with any story arc of a show, nor its opening theme song. The only releases that go by arcs for seasons is Viz Media, however Viz Media is just doing their own format that is convenient with their audience, as it releases the DVDs with a license with TPCi - their seasons are not the primary, official seasons as far as TPCi is concerned. And saying that any undubbed episodes are apart of a dub season is just completely inaccurate IMO as they are not produced for the dub so they do not belong in any season. The only thing I was against is that it requires editing over a thousand pages, but it does at the very least ensure accuracy as there is a difference between season and arc, which is a mistake that is unfortunately very common among western fans. The only reason a significant number of people think of it that way is because of influence from major sites like Serebii, although Serebii makes no attempt to actually distinguish the official Pokémon seasons from the arcs, Serebii uses his own silly fanmade divisions of "seasons".

The only fan site that recognizes the official Pokémon seasons is, for unknown reasons, Bulbagarden and Dogasu's site at the very least makes attempts to list the accurate official seasons. Only few community members on other sites have brought up the official seasons and understand how they are divided, and I am the only one so far on here that has pointed out the official television production seasons primarily used by the show and TPCi's website named Pokémon.com.

The user PannenkoekenNL knows the differences between the standard definition of a season in general television context (and how it is applied to Pokémon), and the differences in the altered release seasons. Many fans confuse and conflate them all as the same type of season, which is what these silly "seasons" divisions come from.

TPCi's digital internet-based media releases of the anime use varied seasons (season 1 they list by their official production, season 2 they list continuing from the official production but ending by Viz Media's end episode, A Rivalry Revival, etc.) but those are just re-release seasons, they do not comply with the dub episodes as they are produced (which is how TPCi's official website lists them, and how it is listed on region 4 Australian DVDs, and how Netflix and any group licensing the English dub of the show, and how the episodes were produced for that year, the standard definition of a season, lists them).

Sure, TPCi refers to Japan's airing of the seasons as "season [#] starts/ends in Japan on [date]" but this is an incorrect misnomer that they use to create the illusion that the show comes from America (which it does not), and this is something that localizations tend to do for other countries for any show for example, they refer to episodes in their format by saying "upcoming episodes" as a [from a worldwide viewpoint] inaccurate misnomer even if they've already debuted from a worldwide viewpoint in the country of origin because they're just upcoming to that country - these 20 seasons do not exist in the original Japanese version, therefore it is a factual error for us to say that "this season began/ended in Japan on..." - the dub seasons only exist in countries where TPCi is recognized outside of Asia, therefore the seasons only have original airing/ending dates outside of Japan and Asia in general.

Sure, American TV guides list the arcs - but that's it, they're only listing the arcs, they don't list seasons. So far, the only seasons we are listing correctly are seasons 4, 7, 11, 15, 17, 18, and 20 (and undubbed or banned episodes are not apart of any season).

Also notice that seasons as they are used by their main production always begun airing between August/September for 4Kids seasons - this is the main format where a season would be produced for 52 episodes a year, and is the main definition of season on television in general - for example Princess VS Princess is the first episode of season 2, Orange Islands, but is apart of the Indigo League arc - that's because the season title is used, even if it's not in that arc. Whenever a company licenses the show for dubbing, making a streaming service, releasing on home video formats, etc. they purchase the show season by season - if they purchase season 1, they receive "I Choose You" to "Breeding Center Secret", season 2 is "Princess VS Princess" to "Charizard Chills", etc. The current "seasons" we are listing are the silly fan made idea of seasons that has no factual accuracy towards the official seasons of the show as far as TPCi is concerned.

Series is a more universal format consistent with any episodes exclusively in the original Japanese version, and the series all have official English titles. The "seasons" we are listing are a mostly silly fan-made season division and are not true to the actual seasons. DVD seasons and opening themes have literally nothing to do with the actual Pokémon seasons, just that as of season 7, the DVD/opening theme seasons have been consistent with the official seasons. Seasons 2, 3, and 6 used two opening songs (seasons 1, 4, 5, and others use unique ones, and no that middle number is 3, not 4 which is what I had misremembered). DVDs and iTunes/Amazon seasons can be different from a television run season for any show, not just this one, but the primary seasons are based on what aired on TV. For example, iTunes/Amazon have a habit of sometimes listing volumes of certain shows as seasons themselves, but the main seasons are counted the way they aired on TV (which is based on how much they produced consecutively before going on break), and I don't see how this wiki should differ from that in any way.

This is the reason why Bulb lists episodes by their series and by their Japanese format, as the dub excludes episodes considered irrelevant (such as clips show episodes, and banned episodes), while the original Japanese version contains all the episodes. We can maybe list dub seasons as a separate format apart from the main series format. Beauty and the Beach is not apart of any season, it was aired as a television special in the US that only aired twice. The only banned episodes that I think we can list in the seasons however are Holiday Hi-Jynx, Stage Fight and Mandarin Island, as they were officially produced for the second season and recognized by both TPCi and 4Kids until 2013/2014 when TPCi stopped listing them, when they dragged the number from 52 down to 49, but they were still officially produced for the season, regardless of what TPCi treats them as so I think we can still list those in a season. I think that we can do it series by series and list dub seasons as alternate divisions because the current divisions we are primarily using for the dub seasons are (most of them) the silly and inaccurate fanmade idea of "seasons" rather than the actual seasons broadcast and produced for the English show.

To help me narrow this down into less confusion, Dephender the Super Moderator on Serebii forums who is one of the staff on the pocketmonsters.net website has said this about how seasons work:
 * Season 2, 3 and 6 both used two different opening themes.


 * Seriously now, guys - the seasons are set in stone. When US and foreign companies license the series from 4Kids/PUSA/whomever, they buy them season by season. If company x licenses "Pokemon season 2" from 4Kids, they get Every episode from "Princess VS Princess" to "Charizard Chills", not the episodes taking place in the Orange Islands. American fans may make their own silly season divisions, but that has no effect on what is the official seasons of the series as far as everyone this actually matters for is concerned. As has been mentioned, these season breaks are VERY clear in certain countries, where one new season will be purchased and aired every year, and reruns being done after all episodes of that season have aired.


 * Yes, the DVD box sets call the Indigo League [arc; IL001 to IL082] episodes "season 1" and the Orange League [arc; OI001 to OI036] episodes "season 2". They lie. End of story.

This is sourced from here. Relating to this, Bulbapedia only corrected their season listings to the primary official ones in April 2015 after using the fanmade "seasons" for years - this is from back when they were listing those fanmade "seasons" of the show rather than the actual official ones. Now, Bulb is listing their seasons accurately.

For that first suggestion about the opening themes, that can be done by just editing a few pages (like 5 or so). Since that second one sounds like something that involves using a bot, Energy X is working on figuring out the bot functions.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 22:55, October 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being long and in depth, I was trying to explain things clearly. Hopefully, paragraphs will work here to explain things more understandably while ensuring that I cover any important detail.


 * There's not much renaming involved. Any renaming involved may be handled by a bot. It only requires creating different pages for lists of the Japanese series (like BW episodes, etc.), and listing the dub seasons as alternate seasons on the pages. By "Japanese series", I mean the full series of episodes, for example original, AG/DP/BW/XY/SM. The episode pages could list the Japanese series and arc it falls under primarily and then list the dub season like this:


 * From A to Z! ([the Japanese title that I'm lazy to write here because it's just an example]) is the 94th episode of the series, Pokémon the Series: XY [link to the series page], and the 1st episode of its XY&Z arc. In the dub, it is the 1st episode of the 19th season, Pokémon the Series: XYZ [link to the dub season page].


 * I also think we should refer to full series by their official English titles, as provided by Pokémon.com.


 * It is actually more accurate than to list it solely by its dub season as there are undubbed episodes in the series that do not belong in any English season as such. For example, the XY series page can be titled Pokémon the Series: XY (series). BW did not have the full series the same as its first season so it would be named Pokémon the Series: Black and White the way it is listed on the official English Pokémon website.


 * In other words, there's a difference between the full series (which is used in every country in every language of the anime) and the seasons (which are used only in dubbed versions). I think we should list episodes individually under both like Bulb does it because it's more accurate, there's a difference between season and arc, and listing undubbed episodes under the dub's season format is plain inaccurate, because undubbed episodes only fall under the full "series" (which is what Japanese episodes go by), and has no place in the "season" (which is what the dub goes by).


 * We take the Japanese version as the canon version of the anime, and dub content as off-to-the-side notes, this complies with that.


 * See how Bulb does it:


 * https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Advanced_Generation_series_episodes
 * https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/S06

They do it this way because dub seasons are specific to episodes produced in the dub (undubbed episodes are not in seasons, nor does season divisions officially involve the silly fanmade numberings used by sites like Serebii), and those "seasons" are. This means to list everything (characters, episode lists) by their full series that is universal and even existent in the Japanese version.

There's a difference between universally counted series (which involve any undubbed episodes as well) and English dub season (which only officially involve dubbed episodes produced consecutively for the year). The majority of dub seasons we're listing is the silly fanmade idea of "seasons" rather than the official numberings.

"Season" refers to a season in the English dub of the show (and they only exist in the dub). "Series" in this terminology is a universally used format by the companies involving all episodes in the full series. It's more accurate because undubbed episodes like DP120 for example is only an episode of the Japanese series, it is not in a season because it was undubbed, therefore it was not any episode produced for that year's season - season refers to consecutive production for the year's batch of episodes, not quite the full arc of the season (season 1 is 52 episodes, not 82...and seasons 2-8 are exactly 52 episodes each), and DVD seasons have nothing to do with actual official TPCi seasons.

See this for example: http://pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/User:ThePok%C3%A9monGamer/Sandbox#Proposed_season_article_formatting_.28for_English_seasons.29

We can maybe try that to create pages about the dub seasons, and then create a whole sub page to list all episodes of the original series. These seasons (which only exist in the dub) and the whole series format (which are universal to both the dub and the original) are completely different divisions of all core series anime-related material relevant to Pokémon. I hope that's clearer enough. Since BW145/BW146 are undubbed, they were not in any dub season - they were only the 145th/146th episodes of the Best Wishes series (which is officially referred to as Pokémon the Series: Black and White by TPCi), but they don't belong in a season of the dub.

Most of this is about expanding information by distinguishing the series (used by every version of the anime) and the season (used only by TPCi language outside of Asia, such as the English dub), rather than moving pages and leaving behind dead links. Any fixes of moved red links will be handled by a bot anyways. The only moving would be distinguishing series and the first dub seasons of them if they have the same name as each other by putting (series) and (season) disambiguation tags by them.

The idea is to make episode lists for both the full series divided by their Japanese arcs and the seasons (the seasons only exist in the dub), while having the seasons accurately listed by their officially produced seasons for the original run rather than being divided by a fan-made format. TPCi's site lists it by their officially produced televised seasons (although for season 2, we can list the three season 2 episodes Holiday Hi-Jynx, Stage Fight, and The Mandarin Island Miss Match, because the only reason why TPCi doesn't list it is because as of recent years, TPCi has stopped listing the episodes that had featured the Pokémon Rougela, but TPCi still listed them before and they were still produced for that season, that's the only slight discrepancy but otherwise, it's based on TPCi's official site).

Keep in mind the Japanese version uses its own series split into arcs. The seasons term refers explicitly to the dub only format by the 4Kids/TPCi that complies with how American television does it, so it only exists in the dub, because it is not the same as Japanese television culture in general. Therefore, the fanmade numberings for certain seasons that are made up by sites like Serebii are unofficial.

Season 1 contains 52 episodes because that's how many were produced consecutively to belong in the season's story before going on a break between seasons, 82 episodes is not the accurate number because season 1 is not the full arc of Indigo League. The season is titled "Indigo League", but there's a difference between season and arc - which I've said is a mistake that is incredibly common. DVD seasons are based on the arc and have nothing to do with the actual seasons of Pokémon - journey and arc have nothing to do with the word season, which specifically refers to a "season" (i.e., consecutive production batch) produced before taking breaks between seasons.  Pokémon Gamer  * 01:08, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, as for how much episodes it will go up to, a new episode can maybe be added to an ongoing season once the dub title is revealed and we could primarily focus on the Japanese division while doing the seasons page as side pages meant to list the dub's division, which is far different from the Japanese division, and the dub division can be based on these (while listing the 3 episodes of season 2 that TPCi removed from their listings in 2013/2014), which are based on the standard seasons per television context of episodes produced consecutively year-by-year before breaks between seasons (52 episode separations for seasons 1-6, and the fact that undubbed episodes do not belong in any season, nor does Beauty and the Beach, as it was only aired in the US as a special episode that does not belong in a dub season) - the current numbering format we are using is also incorrect per the official TPCi seasons, which we are taking our title formats from although supposedly not the official correct seasons from, for whatever unknown reason that is. Since the Japanese division is the original version of the show, we can probably have pages listing full episode lists for a series but do the dub seasons as side project pages that are worked on based on dub information like how Bulb does it - since they're listing seasons by their official seasons, not by the fanmade assumption numberings that Serebii uses. Bulb has it the only way I find accurate, so there should be no interference with originality with them. So that's the answer to the question on where the seasons will be listed up to. The seasons only have US start/end dates, they don't have JP dates because they are inapplicable to the Japanese original. I think the lists can still list the Japanese titles and air dates just to identify the episode, but the page will be about the English division, which is far different from the Japanese division, unlike the common misconception claiming that apparently the (currently) 20 seasons format is applicable to the Japanese version (it's not).  Pokémon Gamer  * 03:31, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, another thing, Energy X is still waiting to work on getting familiar with the bot functions before we do anything related to this mass page change to list them under series and season (and actually list the official seasons instead of the silly opening=season misconception that was not true for seasons 1-6, note that seasons in my terminology are not existent in the Japanese version and they don't include undubbed episodes). So we should still wait before doing anything about it first so that everything is prepared for bot editing.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 10:00, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * It cannot be automatically replaced, so yeah, it will have to be added manually. The second season is named after the Orange Islands arc but it goes from Princess VS Princess to Charizard Chills - TPCi refuses to list the 3 "taboo" black Rougela/Jynx episodes (hence, they list it as 49 episodes), but they were still produced as season 2 episodes to begin with and season 2 was listed by TPCi previously as a 52-episode season, and still thus need to be listed here in the season if we're doing it the same way here, that's the only discrepancy. The fact that the seasons are named after arcs commonly confuses those going by the fanmade order into thinking that the TPCi seasons are wrong and their fanmade order is correct, but no these are how it actually is following by the standard definition of what a season is. The dub skipped IL052/IL053 during the first season and made those the first 2 episodes of the second season, followed by IL058 up until OI025.
 * The second season covers the remainder of Indigo League up until OI025, and that is according to the official seasons as they were produced (which is the standard definition of an American television season for any show). The DVD box sets are listing episodes arc-by-arc, not season-by-season, and only the first one explicitly says the first season on the box set - I'm fairly certain this is a mistake now that I think of it, as the other ones seasons 2-6 are not promoted by Viz Media as a season and are instead covered by any arc (notice they don't explicitly use "season" to refer to those, only the outdated 2008/2009/whatever it was released in version of the box set), Viz Media bases on arc, which as of season 7 to now have always been the same as the season. The seasons are the same title as the arc, but the seasons have different divisions than the arc, there's a difference that is made quite clear here and the way we are listing most of the seasons is a completely inaccurate fanmade season division that needs to be fixed to the correct, official ones at some point in the future. While fans in primarily English speaking countries tend to make their own silly divisions of seasons, they are not the actual seasons of the show.
 * Notice how every other box set than that older 2000's one from Viz for Indigo League arc does not list full arcs as seasons, and restricts seasons to their official definition as listed on TPCi's English site. I do own a dubbed Johto DVD for a select few episodes of it, but I have yet to locate where I have it sitting there.
 *  Pokémon Gamer  * 12:25, October 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, the Pokémon TV selection on the official English website also lists the episodes by their Japanese series and the playlist name gives the Japanese series official English titles. For example, Best Wishes is dub-titled Pokémon the Series: Black and White according to, as aforementioned the official TPCi website. Maybe we can adopt these as the page titles of the series? For XY and SM where the series and the name of the first season name are the same, we can maybe use (series) and (season) disambiguations. According to that official page, the first sub-divided Japanese series featuring the Kanto region of the original Pocket Monsters anime show is English-titled Pokémon the Series: The Beginning, and then the second sub-divided series of the original series is English-titled Pokémon the Series: Gold and Silver (Gold and Silver was also the translation of the Japanese title of that sub divided series). Bulbapedia is even suggesting renaming to these official English names that have been added to Pokémon TV over the course of the past few years by TPCi. All I've done so far is add the English titles to the opening paragraph.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 16:50, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Season listings
When we correct our season formats, I think what we should do is base on how the season was originally produced by 4Kids and aired on TV. While TPCi has changed their seasons to their new release seasons that they appear to be currently releasing and promoting it as, their altered seasons have nothing to do with the seasons of the show the way it was produced and aired. And American television shows in general are viewed season-by-season and these seasons have more to do with how it was originally produced and aired, rather than how the companies list them as - for example, this list from The Pokémon Company on the official site fails to list the Porygon episode because they don't want to view it as an episode of the series because of the Porygon incident permabanning it - however, whether it only aired once or whether it ever re-released, this doesn't change the facts that it actually aired to start off with, and is therefore treated as an episode.

For example, South Park wiki's season 14 list is more concerned about how 14 episodes were produced and aired for the season, regardless of if the companies treat the banned ones as non-existent and making them 12 (there were two banned ones, 200 and 201; both are shown on region 1 DVD and 201 has a notice saying the episode is shown the way it aired on the only day it aired, as it is banned from re-airing).

This is because TPCi has revised seasons multiple times, and they promote it differently, but however they promote the show in current day has nothing to do with the primary seasons as with how the dub was produced in the US:


 * The first time they listed season 1, Indigo League, they listed the season 1 finale as *Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden* (no joke about that) as a 48 episode season, when it was actually produced with "The Breeding Center Secret" as the season 1 finale, with 52 episodes. One Australian DVD release version even did it the way TPCi used to list it with Mysterious Garden as the season 1 finale.
 * As of somewhere between 2013 and 2014, they've stopped listing the 3 Rougela/Jynx episodes in season 2 - this means Holiday Hi-Jynx, Stage Fight!, The Mandarin Island Miss Match - but they were still produced for season 2, though they promoted it as a 49 episode season because of this. This was the same time when they actually recognized the last 4 missing episodes of the Indigo League season (season 1).
 * This is a revamp of how TPCi is promoting their episodes with a 30-60 episode average format.

While TPCi's changes are official, I think this should just be something listed in the opening paragraph and list the episodes for seasons 1-6 based on how 4Kids originally produced them, since it would be a pain to update all the seasons based on how TPCi is promoting it one way or another. Notice that the blurbs (which never change from how they first listed the series years ago) are inconsistent to their newly advertised format and thus the episode numbers for some of the seasons stay as they were. And American television generally views a "season" the way it was originally produced for its run. It's always been one way based on how it was originally produced, so it would be rather awkward to list the season by a division being used by the company advertising it 20 years into the future of its original production. How TPCi is promoting their episodes for their product releases two decades into the future has nothing to do with how the show considers the seasons, so this should maybe just be something listed in the opening paragraphs. At least it would be less confusing to list our episodes by how the season was originally produced and list the alternate season formats by TPCi in the opening sentences. This doesn't even list those three episodes removed in 2013/2014 so I think those can be mentioned in the opening sentences of the season but then base the episode list on how 4Kids originally produced it since TPCi changes these constantly every few years and it would be confusing to try to desperately keep up to date with how they're listing it, especially since American television is generally treated with a season by how it aired originally and was originally produced - other countries may go by different listings, such as how the UK apparently didn't air the episode 201 and skipped to the episode after that. How the companies distributing a show promote it for anyone watching their releases is not always the same with how the season works as far as how the episodes were produced (which is the main definition of a season in America which is the country where I live, which is where the dub is produced).

 Pokémon Gamer  * 14:49, October 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, by the way, their website is actually listing episode numbers and blurbs by their originally produced seasons (minus the 3 episodes they're failing to mention because they involve the Rougela Pokémon with black skin) while the episodes themselves listed in the selection are based on their currently promoted seasons, so nevermind - just want to let you know that the originally produced seasons are likely the best option to list episodes while mentioning TPCi's multiple variants of the seasons in the opening paragraph (the fanmade format we are using for over half of them are neither official nor correct, this is just for when we do change them).
 *  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:36, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

NYAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! U BEAT ME TO REVERTING THAT NIDORAN VANDALISM GRAUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH QueenCupcake025 (talk) 20:32, October 28, 2017 (UTC)

Can you or Energy X watch this
''User Rajan King it seems he's posting a picture of himself twice and replying Goku to everyone on Discussion post and i know your not always on there. So i gave him a worning an hopefully he'll back off if he continues and ignores my worning i said he'll receive two to three day block if he continues, alright,''


 *  Anyway mind watching him, and Kind regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 07:46, October 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Got your message and it's fine no need to apologize i'll be sure to let you know if he/or she acts up again when he or she does i'll be sure to let you know.. Kind Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 12:44, November 3, 2017 (UTC)  

SM050
Rystrouse renewed is persisting on inserting speculation into episode article plots, such as on SM050. He wrote a summary that is likely not even close to accurate and the details are merely guessed by using indicators from the title.

I would also like to point out that the summary on Serebii was fabricated by a person posting it on 2ch, and we know this because they did not mention any production staff and Newtype's release is due out in a day or two, though Newtype certainly never releases on the first day of any given month. It was a weak, one-sentence summary, completely short for whatever you would be able to find in Newtype, and I even made a post on that 2ch message thread (in Japanese, with all the hints that prove it fake; 「ノーソース. 11月1日が公開日じゃない…テレビガイドは筋書きがない. ショートなセンテンスあらすじだから嘘だろう. 」) to discredit it, since it's clearly just made-up fan garbage with no possible relation to what we currently know. They didn't even cite a source, because others can be fooled by it pretty easily if there's a title out there that's verified but the summary itself is not. Therefore, until we get any further information, the Synopsis section shall remain blank as of now, so as to stay away from unsourced speculation.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 08:04, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (And yeah, given this is just one time after the previous block that we've seen, I thought the same that a warning would be better for now.)  Pokémon Gamer  * 15:59, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * A trustworthy Japanese user has confirmed to me that the summary posted on 2ch is indeed official (and he has a copy of the magazine's official release which was issued a day or two ago) - just that when it was originally posted on November 1, it did not have a source cited so I thought it was fake but it was just an unsourced leak at first. Of course, it's now released - no scans published online by anyone yet, but he has a copy of the magazine himself and has confirmed that it does indeed say that as the summary which is one of the methods to confirm information before posting. I just suspected it was fake on November 1 because it was posted between one or two days after the title itself released and there was no way anything officially released in just a day, but it was just originally an unsourced leak. Also, the officially confirmed summary is very, very different from the summary Rystrouse speculated (the one that claimed Zaobo is curious and pursues after Hoshigumo, or whatever it is).  Pokémon Gamer  * 02:32, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

User rights
Since you have edited for quite some time, I believe you are ready to become a bureaucrat. Just write the user rights request on this page.  Energy X  19:18, November 8, 2017 (UTC)

Message
Hey! I’ve been trying to edit the Vulpix Base Set for a while now, but nothing is working since I’m on my phone. Just letting you know I’m case I ruined the page somehow >< — Mario101  luigi202 peach404  13:57, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

Season 20
While Bulbapedia claims that season 20 ends on SM043, I think it would be better if that's officially confirmed, because we could easily witness a last-second schedule change with SM044 for example and it would be better to avoid speculation. According to the Disney XD Press calendar, SM043 is titled When Regions Collide! and will air on December 14, 2017, a Thursday and not a Saturday and I don't know what it's doing in the rerun timeslot but it is officially confirmed nonetheless, as all the other previous dates have no mention of it whatsoever - it could have been a last minute scheduling decision with an oversight on Disney XD's part, but the policy here is to stick with official sources on every claim until that particular claim is contradicted by another official source. It could also be a special season finale thing, so I think it is safe to say for now that SM043 is confirmed to air on December 14 if we're following by the "official as long as officially sourced unless contradicted officially otherwise" policy. Since SM043 making its debut airing on December 14 (a Thursday in the normal rerun slot) is official but it being the final episode of season 20 is not, I think that's what we should go by (and yeah, the English voice actor of Gladion says he thinks the 44th episode is the first episode of season 21 in reply to Playerking95's question asking if episode 44 is the first episode of the season, but he's also said that he is not sure because TPCi only ever gives a script number such as "season 2 of Sun and Moon, episode 1", so it's best to wait until TPCi releases the end episode information).  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:13, November 17, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the air date is confirmed officially (and the only reason it's a Thursday is because this is a different network than CN with a different scheduling habit, like the fact that many episodes were aired daily during the beginning of the season), and the only reason why they always use the 4 PM timeslot on weekdays is because this is a show appropriate for all ages and many children would be in school if it aired at 9 AM here in America (or any other things people have during Monday-Friday weekdays here in the US, not just that), which is why they never use the 9 AM timeslot on standard weekdays.
 * It's just the "final episode of season" thing that we still need to wait for confirmation for.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 20:44, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

Troll problem
Hi Lordranged. Could you please block this user permanently? It's adding bad information.--Jokeman20 (talk) 01:33, November 21, 2017 (UTC) http://pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wiki_itself
 * Well, since I know how to think out block lengths in advance, I think it would be best to do a one week block, and then if the user comes back 3 weeks or a month and then if it escalates to long-term abuse then do a permanent one.  Pokémon Gamer  * 02:51, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. That's great. Thanks.--Jokeman20 (talk) 03:16, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Vote
Congratulations, you passed the vote.  Energy X  23:00, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Re:Highlight update
Thanks for taking care of it, Lord!

Misch60 (talk) 12:40, November 22, 2017 (UTC)

User rights
Thought bureaucrats automatically have admin rights, too. But you have taken care of this problem.  Energy X  21:22, November 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, it appears that user adding the spam link to the illegal piracy website to watch the movie on the second-to-last week of every month is indeed the same user. I have permanently blocked the latest account that did this just now as Energy X has blocked one of the last few times as an obvious problematic duck test sockpuppet, and it appears we have been permanently blocking any account that does that as it's obviously the same person doing this on a monthly basis usually on the second-to-last week of the month.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 02:57, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

Signature
Please, can you tell me how to do it? I mean, I only have to put (Xavikos808 (talk) 23:18, November 27, 2017 (UTC)) to sign my messages? I'm not used to write messages on this wiki...

Question
Hey there, Lordranged. I was wondering what users has to rename pages and blogs? And to prevent anyone from renaming pages into something bad?--Jokeman20 (talk) 17:44, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

Actually, it does. Thanks for that. And what do Content Moders do?--Jokeman20 (talk) 18:12, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

Great. It all makes sense.--Jokeman20 (talk) 00:35, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

Archive
''Knowing my next reply message is 60 can you archive my talk page? Reason this Saturday the 16th through New year's eve the 31st i am going to be busy due to a friends party's and everything so i am going to be simi-active due to alot other things to do via other wiki's.''


 *  So in saying yeah i wish you a Marry Christmas & a Happy New Year 2018, Because i'm  going to be outta town in Arkansas visiting my aunt down there i'll have my computer  with me so yeah i'll message when i'll be back home alright.Trainer Micah (talk) 14:35, December 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Sure that's fine i have something i have to do on another wiki anyway i'll do that then come check on here then check discussion out so you know perfectly fine.Trainer Micah (talk) 02:26, December 12, 2017 (UTC) 

Christmas
Hello! Merry Christmas! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxTXmbTG9SQ DragonSpore18 (talk) 04:47 December 25, 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Lord!--Jokeman20 (talk) 14:18, December 25, 2017 (UTC)


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! !A very dearest greet -ing to you, Merrry Christmas to you Lordranged again!I hope, you are celebrating Christmas Awes -omely, a lot of happiness to you from me. Thankyou.-- Red Lair  02:21, December 26, 2017 (UTC)
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 * }ik that i already wished you in my blog post but, i thought "i'm wishing everyone seperately, so, why not to Lordranged. alright! let's wish her once again". -- Red Lair  14:34, December 25, 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays, Lord!--Kyurem147 (talk) 23:35, December 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas! (メリークリスマス!)  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:41, December 25, 2017 (UTC)

Question
Who is the founder of this wiki if it's not you?

Mysterymenace (talk) 13:15, December 26, 2017 (UTC)

Tell me what you think of
This i know it's coming soon so i thought i'd get into the Holiday spirit with this soon.http://pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Trainer_Micah/Happy_New_year

Is it okay or should i make it bigger or what you three admins decide knowing it's coming soon via sunday and i'll be inactive so you know as such.Trainer Micah (talk) 16:14, December 26, 2017 (UTC)

2018
Happy New Year, Lord!--Jokeman20 (talk) 20:54, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Lord!--Kyurem147 (talk) 21:40, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

I forgot about it, it seems. Thanks for the reminder! I did that for the previous ones and I guessI lost track of Pursuit. I'll make a mental note to not forget it again. Also, Happy New Year! (Although I am late)   Silent  Songbird  06:24, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year. (I forgot I was late in sending you this)  Pokémon Gamer  * 07:35, January 6, 2018 (UTC)