User talk:Energy X

Oh, and yeah, as for the anime page for Kiawe's Marowak, I was unaware that what I was moving it to wasn't a redirect and was assuming that's what it was. That's why I restored the previous revisions that accidentally got deleted in the move so it can be recreated by reusing content from those revisions.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:42, July 22, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Energy X, I'm a new user there on Fandom, I just saw many things going on fandom and Seriously, I never saw a community like Pokemon one. Things going qrong there. Leave it. I'm a user there so, I can't help you. By the way, Nice to meet you, Energy X!

Postponed episodes
I think the episode Fishing Sommelier - Dent Appears! should be moved to BW037: A Fishing Connoisseur in a Fishy Competition!. I have reasons for why this should be moved and not move XY024 (The Castle Beneath the Sea! Kuzumo and Dramidoro!!) to XY050: An Undersea Place to Call Home!. Unlike XY024, this episode is being presented in the storyline as an entirely different episode that does not fall between BW025 and the (as we currently call it) BW027, and we should not be basing episode orders on when they were first announced or intended, or logically we would be moving BW003 to BW001 for being announced first (which is not what I support), we base this on the place it takes in the plot. This episode was aired and presented as an edited episode BW037, and the BW026 version was not how it was presented in canon when it aired. In XY024, they presented it untouched when airing it apart from the opening, ending, and post-episode segment due to the time at which it aired, so that's the difference. We shouldn't consider the postponed and eventually aired episodes as specials though, because it was not advertised as such. The Japanese version advertised Rougela's Christmas and The Iwark Bivouac as specials or 番外編 (meaning other/special programming series), even if the dub considers it a normal season 1 episode. They didn't advertise these as specials, so that's the difference as well. "Serebii says so" doesn't count because like Bulbapedia and Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone, even Serebii is not an official 100% reliable source like many people assume and has been debunked on several factual errors, even having the same factual and translation-related errors as Bulbapedia on TCG cards coming from fans sending stolen content to the webmaster of that site. So I think the fishing episode should be moved to BW037 for those reasons. Bulb's Japanese wiki lists the Kuzumo and Dramidoro episode as XY050 or XY編第50話 (meaning XY series episode #50) because they go by when it airs, but here, we go by how the story presents it. In other words, XY024 just aired later but the "BW026" at the time aired as BW037 being edited to fit the story. TV Tokyo also claims nothing about it being a previous episode, but it wasn't even officially announced to begin with which could've also been it - by officially announced, I mean by TV Tokyo online, not the magazine which is 100% reliable though not considered a TV Tokyo announcement and TV Tokyo's TV guide is 8 days ahead. I do hold this belief though:
 * If BW023 and BW024 ever air (which I am more confident in than AG101 airing due to the Japanese version preview remaining intact on cable channel reruns such as BS Japan and Kids Station and TV Tokyo stating they'll certainly air it while saying nothing about airing AG101), we should keep the numbering as is because the preview's existence with sponsor tag footage and the plot presents it as canon. If it airs advertised as a special, we'll move it, but I'm confident that if it ever does air, it'll keep all content intact including opening, ending and previews due to reruns showing the preview for BW023 at the end of BW022 and the original Japanese version DVD putting it on even after being replaced with BW025's preview in the initial DVD version, in which case it's best to leave it as is. This explains the alleged struggle to air these episodes, but it's also likely they are repeatedly reissuing the "it will air" statement in negligence when responding to email queries. It should be also noted that TPC and TV Tokyo (at least TPC) have notices in Japanese and English stating they are unable to read and respond to inquiries in other languages than Japanese. It is likely that this "official statement" is not properly translated by anyone who knows Japanese is being Google Translated between English and Japanese and thus there may be a distortion presented here. I tried contacting TPC (knowing that I can properly write the email in Japanese from personal knowledge and not Google Translate, and given they said they can't offer support in English) and TV Tokyo after they referred me there, linking me to TV Tokyo's contact page - to no surprise, as TV Tokyo, being followed in suit of by its affiliate broadcasters around the country (i.e., TV Osaka/7 TVO, TV Hokkaido/tvh, etc.), has the broadcasting rights to the anime. TPC responded to me and said to forward the anime programming scheduling question to TV Tokyo. I tried contacting TV Tokyo but I doubt there's anywhere I can list an email address to ensure it's being sent and replied to - I got a confirmation email from TPC but not TV Tokyo so they likely don't have my email address there. According to that talk page message on Bulb, if correct, the transition from BW to XY to SM is not an issue and being not taken into account in later Team Plasma encounter episodes years into the future is not an issue either. If these air, that's my standing on that. For now, they aren't aired but they're to be treated as canon due to the previous episode remaining unedited in Japanese reruns and being presented as if they exist but are not available in their full episode form even on DVD due to being unaired and we only have knowledge from promo footage and magazine pics. It's also easy to believe that this synopsis can be faked by someone who is just trying to incorporate promo and preview scenes into the plot and trying to fake details, rather than someone who legitimately leaked and stole the episodes for themselves or anyone related to the companies who's seen it. And also, if that user on Bulb is right, then this means they need to air these incredibly outdated 2 part episodes in the normal time slot without interrupting the current series schedule. Like the second BW post series special, which was aired during the XY run (which would be viewed as presumably too late in BW023/BW024's case, as well as that being considered as a special and normal episode per the opening and ending), this could maybe air untouched simply being numbered differently in the airing order and on TV guides but that's not needed now, because there's still doubts on it airing any time soon especially since it has been 6 years ever since, and it could be they're not actively planning on or thinking of these episodes as they may have been back then and they're issuing that statement carelessly just to maintain official word that the episodes are to be viewed as canon. The only way we can view it as that the most official thing is that the episodes are being postponed, not canceled entirely unlike AG101, but at the same time they're not really thinking about or nearly concerned about these episodes as they were back then, so it's a total surprise if they do actually air it. If TPC was a broadcasting channel, they'd maybe have released it by now, but TV Tokyo is in charge here.

Also, it's okay to respond to this now and when I get back home or when I'm able to use the limited internet I have here, I'll receive it. I can view my talk page signed out on my phone, so that works as well and I have internet anywhere on there, but the issue is my login details are long, extremely complicated, to be nearly impossible to hack, so I need to copy and paste it on computer.

Edit: And it seems that back when Hulu's Japanese service had these episodes before losing the rights when the anime first reached there, the preview at the end of BW022 showed BW023's, but I can't check Amazon Prime's version because I don't have it, I only pay for Japanese Hulu and Netflix services monthly. The numbering though apparently doesn't affect that it shows the preview for the unaired BW023, and episodes we view as specials are numbered as if they were normal episodes on there. Also despite there being no notice on BW037's postponement back when it was BW026 (it could've been because an old version of the page displayed the notice), there is still a notice on BW024 being moved on the episode in place of its original air date, and it's possible TV Tokyo is going by the info they sent to magazine providers, so they'll likely remove that notice if they air it. If it was canceled after the BW025 airing, it would have likely also been removed, the text on BW025's first airing said, 「つごうにより、のをしておおくりしてます、」「だった『ロケットVSプラズマ!』は、またあらためてします」 as I've typed this out for convenience. So I'm confident it will air someday, but they're just not actively thinking about it and it's probably not relevant to them today. So going by official sources (in other words, not the many fans being not confident about it airing), they will air it in the future but it's taking an incredibly long time. If they do air it, though, I don't know how the banned episodes page would go, I think we'd remove it from there because XY024 was originally a "banned episode" before finally airing. The struggle explained by that Bulbapedia user is likely correct, being an episode that is supposed to have a cliffhanger on one week and the rest being aired the next week, but even without that Bulb user's comment, I'm confident the episodes are still slated to air and that AG101's ban is permanent, they're just maintaining the official statement as a cover for now to hide that they're really not actively concerning about airing it any time soon. Moving BW023 and BW024 to the OVA code that we gave to the Christmas specials is also an option if it's aired later and advertised as a special in the original Japanese version, because it was also promoted via next episode preview I believe the same way.

Sorry if this was too long, just felt the need to thoroughly explain all the info for BW023 and BW024 should it ever be necessary to look back at in the future. Although I want to ask whether we should move BW026 to BW037 given the reasoning I explained above and being reasons that are highly specific to the Fishing Sommelier - Dent Appears! episode and not applicable to XY024.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 03:31, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * And another thing (please keep the question in mind that I mentioned above about renaming BW026 to BW037 and renaming the other pages around), I think it should also be necessary to list every skipped or postponed episode's originally intended air date. I don't know if we would put it in release dates (maybe not) and say in a hover text notice that it was the originally intended one, actually aired on, or in the trivia section, but it should be absolutely necessary to make mention of that somewhere for every such episode. Another question, just like how we have release dates for the Watch Disney XD app/site on SM001 and SM002, I think we should also mention release dates with hover text for those that are released on iTunes and Amazon Video in the US before the airing on TV.  Pokémon Gamer  * 05:23, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

(Energy can I be a mod I know it is not easy but I can handle it Can you please make me Mod) Respected Energy X
Vedant bhoj (talk) 05:26, July 23, 2017 (UTC)Energy can I be a mod I know that it is hard But I will handle Please make me modVedant bhoj (talk) 05:26, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Please keep in mind the section above I made asking some questions after you respond to Vedant bhoj's question. I'm just mentioning this because I don't want that to end up missed due to not being the section at the bottom of the page.  Pokémon Gamer  * 05:30, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Mod request
05:42, July 23, 2017 (UTC)please please make me a admin please request05:42, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Question #3 to add to the ones I asked above: I think if the gap between the episode and its English-language dub airing are exactly one year apart, then this is because the anime is consistently going by the new-episode-per-week scenario applying consistently to every such episode that is consistently airing week by week in Japan and the United States. Thus, I don't find it notable enough to include individually on every single episode's page that this applies to. I think this should be noted on the series or the season page's trivia section if episodes are being aired exactly one year apart.  Pokémon Gamer  * 06:06, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * A fourth question to add: I think we should limit the dub differences/dub edits section on each episode's article to edits that apply specifically to the English language or other language dub, and not overly define it to include edits made to digital releases of the Japanese version such as on Hulu, DVD, Netflix, reruns, and Amazon Prime. I think edits done to the digital and non-over-the-air releases of the original Japanese version should be mentioned in trivia. I moved the XY126 info about the Hulu Japan version (and maybe the Japanese rental DVD version, but I've only checked Hulu Japan's version, and DVD is known to fix errors) fixing Tierno's Raichu tail to the female one from dub edits to the trivia section, because by definition, something that is only modified in the digital releases of the Japanese version, and not carried into the dub in its broadcast and accompanied digitally released forms, should not even fall under dub edits in the first place.  Pokémon Gamer  * 06:11, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/p/3059277985996604964 FortifiendWolf (talk) 07:58, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Any way to edit FatboySlim2005 bio? He made a stupids list there that is insulting lower-skilled members of our wiki. i wanna edit it out until it creates too much trouble. I will try to make him delete it, if it stays here for more than one day from now on, this message is considered a ban report. FortifiendWolf (talk) 11:03, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Request
hello energy x, on december 26 th you had asked annabeth and percy whether i should be made a mod or tom and she had selected me back then 4 months back when i asked you to promote me to a mod you just put me off by saying "there are no request for mods right now" but now i really want to become a mod. please please please please please promote me, you know from how long i am waiting for it and i am more experienced than piyanshu and tom and one more thing to specify is that piyanchu is not experienced at all! he just blindly said you are not doing your duty well, i can see if he's doing his work well or not and i am also ready to spend my all time here reading 1000+ posts (for which u promoted piyanchu) and energy x dont think i am doing this just because you've already made two, you know from how long i am asking u, so now please promte me and dont put me off, seriously i'm in a crying mood! And if you can make me a mod, we three can be new a batch

and if u hv a doubt in capabilities you can ask annabeth but please promote me today MAGIC KAITO (talk) 15:14, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Please i dont think if one more is added it will do any harm, more than that i want to help this wikia by being a mod one more thing which i would like to specify is i wasn't inactive, you wont beleive this but i used to read each and every post but never replied to them , plus nowadays i don't have any other work plus i really think and want you to make me a mod please don't put me off by this excuse and please reply me.MAGIC KAITO (talk) 15:14, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Reply
Keeping it BW023 and BW024 is fine either way. The preview for the episode is still shown after BW022 on modern day reruns and on DVD, and it's still within the story of the show at the end of BW022. If released, it will likely only exist in the original Japanese version, the dub already skipped it over.

As for the kanji on his shirt thing, the first kanji at the top looks like or  (most likely the latter). It's definitely not 大試練 (daishiren; meaning Grand Trial) or I would've been able to pick up on it, being able to read such things better than the rest of the users on this wiki and all. None of the kanji lists I've scrolled through showed it, it may be an uncommon kanji that is not regularly used (in other words, non-joyo kanji). It's not like children know how to read all these characters. The government in Japan has standards regarding the kanji children are to have learned by which grade, as there's over 2,000 regular use kanji, and even native speakers fail to identify them all sometimes. It's not even close to as basic as the 26-letter alphabet that we use in English, and Japanese websites/magazines and all are full of kanji (and wikis and Wikipedia use them all the time, they don't care if you don't know how to read them all, you need to look each kanji up to know how to read the ones you don't know, while learning how to actually write them does help me remember), but they're all usually regular use kanji, something I'm able to look up by drawing it by mouse cursor online and find the reading to type them out by keyboard by myself as usable computer text for the wiki. Even I haven't learned all of the kanji, I usually recognize the kanji and words I know (such as how I know the kanji at the top of his shirt, uniform or whatever), given that it's how kanji is supposed to be read. In Chinese, they're used everywhere though given only one reading, making them easier to learn, but in Japanese, you have to read it by the word in Japanese that corresponds with the meaning of the kanji, unlike the syllable based hiragana and katakana systems (which at least me and Misch60) know how to read, such as how I know 一体何か. is read as いったいなにか.

In other words, those kanji might not even be the common use kanji I'm more used to being able to come up with the computer text to use on this wiki. It's not as easy to look up as much as it is to know that this and this say 危険 and 通行止メ respectively the latter of which is using the katakana character for め as in 通行止め, but if someone manages to find which kanji they're using (again, not ones I'm aware of), then I can translate it. I tried looking up on the Japanese fan sites I go to, and have found nothing mentioning it.  Pokémon Gamer  * 06:00, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

HEELP!
I think my userpage's second box is broken. Do you know how to fix this?

SuperMario43 24 July 2017 13:27 UTC

Reply
Check my user page. The pre-existing box I edited was ok at first but now the second box is long...

24 July 2017 13:37 UTC SuperMario43
 * I left in the fishing episode as BW040 as a temporary number so we can move things starting from BW027 to BW026, BW028 to BW027, etc. so it doesn't get confusing. At the end, the fishing episode will be listed as BW039. And added the plot line with the Plasma Gang encounter to the BW022 page, because it is kept canon in the Japanese version despite BW023 and BW024 being unaired, regardless of what narrative the dub tries to push.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:26, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

LaraLynn
This user is a vandal who is adding false information to articles, and I have even warned them before, so I'm leaving this report here for when you're active in your timezone. Can you check this out?  Pokémon Gamer  * 00:51, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm going to keep the episode guide page editable though (rather than locking for 3 days) even though it's been vandalized twice recently because it's just that it's coincidental there are users who sign up in a short time frame and do different types of vandalism. If it happens to be a problem where multiple users are actively vandalizing that page, then yeah it'll be best to protect it, but I'll leave it alone for now because there isn't anything sufficient enough to protect it for if it's just two users a month apart vandalizing. If it's sockpuppets rapidly targeting the page as multiple users, it would maybe be needed, but protecting it now is way, way too early.  Pokémon Gamer  * 01:55, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Official capitalization
Maybe we should base capitalization of words in English dubbed episode titles based on how it is capitalized on the page on the TPCi US version site of Pokémon? For example, naming that episode A Gaggle of Gadget Greatness! (as we have it) would be considered correct here and A Gaggle Of Gadget Greatness! would be the wrong capitalization. And I mean the episode pages themselves on that site, as the full Watch Pokémon TV guide navigation lists them with all the first letters of words capitalized. The reason we would need to have consistency in such formatting is because the episodes capitalization matters when it comes to naming the page, and it's specific when trying to link it from another page, so if we go by the "official" capitalization on the site, it would be less confusing and more consistent.  Pokémon Gamer  * 09:26, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Reply
Depends on what the logo is. If it's a Cartoon Network tag, then maybe not unless the background is the same color throughout that the logo is on. The TV Tokyo logo (I know those don't need to be edited, though this is example) can easily be edited out - in fact the latest torrents people upload use a common trick with people who upload torrents of the anime and they blur out the logo so it's not always showing for nearly 100% of the episode in the release. Of course, there are times where you'll briefly notice the logo a bit due to working in with the colors of the background, but that's how they do it. That guy with Korean letters in his username (I have no knowledge of Korean, so I don't know what it says to be honest) uses that trick on all his torrent releases. If it's a logo that cannot be edited out and it's from an anime episode, I can just recapture the screenshot. I know where to find Japanese episodes without any logos onscreen.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:51, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * Done.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:18, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Move confirmations
I'm just going to mention first of all that I'm going to stay entirely impartial to what Serebii says - his site listing a certain move means nothing to this (they've posted unconfirmed information in the past, some of it which later gets debunked and no I'm not a "", I just do not wish for this wiki to have information that could be wrong), someone on the forums commenting it also means nothing because they can easily confuse it with a move that has a similar animation. I'm just going to say we shouldn't list moves with vague animations such as Flamethrower and Hydro Pump that can easily be the same animation of another move unless they were explicitly stated or in the Japanese closed captioning of the episode (dub captioning doesn't count because they change several things from the Japanese version we base it on), although I only have access to the closed captioning for the Sekiei League episodes as the Japanese Netflix service I subscribe to has it, and neither Japanese Netflix, Hulu (which doesn't have closed captions, even for Sekiei League), nor Amazon Prime Video has any closed captions for modern episodes because unlike Japan, I believe the US has closed captioning laws making it mandatory. Bulb users have managed to find distortions in the confirmation of the other moves except for Flame Wheel - note that the move confirmation thing is a common reason behind most edit wars that occur there on Bulbapedia. I think we shouldn't consider Shadow Bone confirmed, because it is a newly introduced move without basis for comparison with others because it could be a move with a similar animation and we could be wrong (it could just be a move that the anime is trying to show that isn't Shadow Bone, so we cannot jump to random assumptions, as it is a new move) - unless it was actually stated, I doubt we can consider it confirmed, and it's best to hide it until there's an episode released in which it is shown using it in the dialogue or closed captioning (again, by this I mean Japanese closed captioning [字幕]), and Blazingfist on there explains why Bulb uses these strict confirmation requirements to be as factual as possible (i.e., headbutting does not mean the move Headbutt is being used). We here only go by animation if the move has a unique animation, but it's not confirmed whether Shadow Bone has a unique animation, being a recent move with nothing to compare with. The alleged use of Bonemerang could easily be a fancy animation of Bone Club and/or with it throwing its bone (doesn't mean it absolutely has to be Bonemerang, this is the same thing as with how the "Mooland in SM021 died" thing is not official), to the point where Flame Wheel might be the only one confirmed (again, Serebii saying something doesn't confirm a single thing, as they can and have been wrong in the past including episode titles that lacked confirmation and others, and I don't trust Bulb either unless I get what they're saying, in this case though, I get what they're saying).

Although just like genders, if there's anything dub only confirmed (there have been moves called out as different ones between the Japanese version and dub), that can be noted (but like calling it "dub only", not just treat it as if existent in the original Japanese version).

If the claim that MS015's Keldeo is male (and that it is referred to as male in the dub) is correct, and if someone on this wiki can confirm it (in other words, impartial to what Bulbapedia states), then we can maybe consider an anime =/= games distinction for those and not list every legendary Pokémon in the anime as genderless unless it was confirmed. Even if it was mentioned in the dub, that would still be good enough to make a distinction on and not state that every legendary Pokémon is right off the bat genderless, because the English language Pokémon games also have the legendary Pokémon genderless. That's why I'm always hesitant to list genderless for every legendary Pokémon anime article when making them (which is why I generally stay away from making them because I don't know which is correct, if the MS015 Keldeo is male which again we need to be able to confirm, then this wiki is just assuming by listing every legendary Pokémon as being right-off-the-bat genderless). But then again going by Pokémon being 100%/other % a gender in the games has never failed us, and it's been shown to be reliable in the anime, the only thing I'm taking about is the legendary Pokémon being genderless in the games, whether that means they're genderless in the anime, as said discrepancy has been shown before for that case, another example is if a Pokémon's gender differences haven't yet been showcased in the anime (which you've already approved as being considered a distortion, since we have the Tierno's Raichu case with its tail, and even if it's using Bulb policies, it's still something that is of concern for information to be 100% correct).

But I'll say for Headbutt, the move is definitely not confirmed for the new Pokémon in SM034, because the move could easily be any move that involves ramming themselves into their opponent, such as Tackle or Slam (which I agree with, took some time to actually rewatch the episode so I'm not blindly taking Bulb's word as fact without checking first).

As for the use of Shell Trap by Bakugames, the Bulb comment here is an outdated comment from months ago, and Lordranged7 uploaded a picture of it being used in SM034, so I think the move's usage is possible to be true, but I can't confirm it myself (because Bulbapedia is a fansite that anyone can edit, not one with an extremely high or 100% track record of accuracy either), so I have no opinion on whether it's confirmed or not. But I do believe that only Flame Wheel is [officially] confirmed and we should hide all the others until they are stated in an episode with the info I've already provided. And I think we should use this rule: a move must be stated explicitly, in closed captioning, or have animation that is unique and can be viewed as obviously being that move (such as a move a Pokémon's used many times in the past recently that it's obvious it's just reusing it, or otherwise) without distortions that are probable. Therefore, I think we can hide the moves other than Flame Wheel until an episode airs to state that it's that move either in dialogue or closed caption subtitles (known as 字幕 in Japan). Again, I'm not some insane person who hates Serebii but loves Bulbapedia so much (because objectively, both have been wrong about things in the past, both are the type of sites that are mostly correct, but they're unofficial fansites hosted on the web, so they're prone to being wrong on some things, such as Serebii reporting an anti-piracy feature for the experience points for the tutorial rival battles in the ROM of the Gen V games and reporting them on his site as if they were normal not realizing it) nor am I trying to be "disrupting the flow of information" as ShallowShaddoll on Bulbapedia calls it, I just don't want us to run into a case where we're maybe wrong on some things and it comes back to haunt us later, and it's just that as a wiki, Bulb cracks down on speculation like this even if Serebii has info that it doesn't (such as with that Raichu gender thing, where it turned out it's female later on which would be confusing to have to list as female while ignoring the male tail, which is one of the reasons why Bulb waits until gender differences have been showcased in the anime for a Pokémon before using it to determine gender). Best to err on the side of caution with the moves Shadow Bone and Bonemerang because with the former, the move's never been called out for comparison to other Pokémon using it so it's hard to tell if the animators are trying to animate Shadow Bone, and with the latter, it could just be a special animation effect for Bone Club as it was never called out, and Bulbapedia staff member Tiddlywinks has stated that some of the moves Bulbapedia lists can be reviewed and removed/discussed if they're unconfirmed, as there are many that are listed that don't follow the confirmation rule they have there that were listed before Bulb started cracking down on move confirmations (they also listed many fake ep titles that even Serebii's been fooled by before them and us have started cracking down on whether episode titles are confirmed, to wait for a picture to be released before listing titles that could be fake for all we know).

I also broke those into sections that I had already prepared here so you can see the various stances I have on things one by one relating to this without being confused by a huge wall of text so that you don't miss any details.  Pokémon Gamer  * 08:59, July 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * As for the logos onscreen thing (this isn't something needing a reply, just to let you know what I have for me to use to get images), I know where to obtain Japanese episodes without the onscreen seizure warning telling viewers to watch in a brightly lit room far away from the screen (and without any logo at all, as it's from on demand video services such as Hulu and Amazon Prime and Netflix too, not TV broadcasts on Japanese television), so if there are any images with the seizure warning or some other intrusive onscreen text such as notices telling viewers that there will be a one week break or data broadcast notices onscreen, I have episode videos without those.  Pokémon Gamer  * 09:15, July 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was just saying I'm not against Serebii, but it's just a problem with some of whether the moves are confirmed and whether it's best to wait until later episodes, just so it doesn't sound like I'm biasing against them, as I know Bulbapedia is more unreliable given that anyone can edit it because it's a wiki and they can add anything that's already on it like we can, and yeah I have seen that term used on 4chan or Reddit (forgot which site that is, maybe the latter), not much of a big deal though.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:31, July 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * And in case you realized this user - it's a sockpuppet, I've contacted Wikia Support as it's obvious they're evading a global block.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:06, July 28, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and yeah, I did see the message on Lordranged7's talk page and I was suspecting that might've been a bad username right from the start. That reason works too though. If it comes to the point where that user starts harassing us like that across other wikis, then yeah, we might need to request a global block against that account.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:26, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

SM037
I plan on uploading the preview to YouTube myself, because the version aired on TV is higher quality and also includes a sponsor tag, which includes more footage from the episode.  Pokémon Gamer  * 14:28, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, User:Sameer Ramnath keeps posting off-topic comments and hasn't stopped. Could you take a look at it?--http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 Annabeth and Percy  🎵You're scared, I'm nervous, but I guess that we did it on purpose.🎵  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 12:51, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Hey Energy X can you check out
My talk page it seems Utkar22 has spotted a spammer named The Phonix Gaurdian=Zach Utkar has informed me that Phonix spammed on Clash of Clans wikis can you block this user for spamming.

 The link's on my talk page at the bottom so you notice as such...Trainer Micah (talk) 21:22, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * I also have things to say here. First, Kittystyler's still making edits to the pages in the Ash's Pokémon category that are adding giant, unnecessary broken additional move tables with tons of content tossed around randomly (such as the partial kana name for Satoshi's Luchabull and random contents already on the page).


 * Second, maybe we should add the lyrics themselves to OP/ED songs of the anime? Not just the romanization, but the original language text? I can type them up into the wiki editor from the lyrics seen on the animation because Bulbapedia isn't exactly a trustworthy source due to anyone being able to edit it. Same goes for the title of the song, not just the translation. This is the same as how we have the original Japanese language text on other pages we have translations or romanizations for, and it's best to have the text they are from, not just English understandings of the text, as well.


 * Third, the Korean dub of the anime is based on the original Japanese version (so it keeps all episode segments, including the eyecatches, Who's that Pokémon, and ), but unlike the Chinese dub for some of the songs (like the opening of Best Wishes!), which is also another Asian dub based from the Japanese version, it makes its own opening and ending songs. There are also other dubs that do this. Bulb prefers creating separate pages for them, but rather than go through that, I think it's best to list in the trivia of the song that "[song name] is the [language] dub equivalent of this song for that dub." and link to the page on that language wiki. If we ever need English translations of those songs (such as if the dub of that version has any lyrics that spoil upcoming episodes in the Japanese version, not a real instance that's happened but just an example), I can't help with those, because I don't have any knowledge of other languages. I mostly know how to read Japanese script and I have the knowledge to decipher it all myself, which is why I can easily handle that language well. Having trivia points mentioning the song's equivalent in another language dub and linking to the page on that language version of this wiki cancels out the hassle of going overboard and having to find a way to mention all of them on this English wiki as with what Bulb does.


 * Fourth, apart from our rule to list it as "dub only" if a gender is confirmed by dialogue that exists only in the English dub, we should I think refrain from listing anime Pokémon in a gender category unless the original Japanese version mentions it, and I think we should refrain from mentioning Pokémon genders on the Trainer's page if the original Japanese version doesn't mention it, as genders are only taken as officially confirmed if what confirms it is in the original Japanese version, which overrules over any and every other language dub (including the English dub, the language of this wiki), as it's likely TPCi is not aware of their actual genders, and that the gender confirmation is just a dub edit. For example, Satoshi's Keromatsu could easily be female in the original and it could be that Froakie is male only in the dub due to it being more masculine, and TPCi might not be aware of that and might be making up the gender from scratch just for the English dub. This will apply even more so due to Bashou being changed to female in the dub as the dub's Hun character. Whatever the dub's genders are, if they aren't even mentioned in the original Japanese version, they are not canon at all, and we shouldn't be listing both male *and* female characters for characters that are female in the original and male in the dub and vice versa, because the one that's only for the dub is not canon, it is just meant that way for English localization, we should only add a trivia point for it or something in the template such as saying it's "dub only", I'm saying we shouldn't treat it as the overall main important gender by listing it as a category and on the Trainer's page, and the only times when we rely on the English dub as being the primary source is for English names and terms.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 22:19, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Message
The gender difference error has been fixed. So sorry for the inconvenience. Didn't know I could add a new feature. I'll keep working on it.
 * The Korean wiki is very popular too, with over 10,000 pages on it, and for example, there's a Bulbapedia user from an English speaking country who speaks a native level of Korean, so it's not like you have to live in Korea natively to contribute to that wiki, it only requires using a fluent level of Korean on the pages (I think I can maybe only handle doing the Japanese wiki, because unlike Korean, I actually have knowledge of that language). I think external sources such as magazine bits can be used (Bulb even used them for the Keldeo in MS015 being male). If any of the writers say it's a certain gender (or any other official source, including magazine bits), that may be used if it's from Japanese (TPC Japan/or any other companies affiliated with it) sources. If it's from English language TPCi sources, then we can say "dub only" in the template. That could be put in the "reference", but yeah I think there can be a hover over or similar method of explaining the gender (because you said those would be better than putting the reference tag after the gender listing in the template). And yeah, the Japanese wiki is one of those that are lacking on pages. All I can do is maybe put up the episode pages and Pokémon pages on there, but it's not something that can easily be done in one day and is easier said than done (in fact, anything is).  Pokémon Gamer  * 08:43, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * As for this section, Ellis99 has made an edit to the Johto Route 47 page just now.  Pokémon Gamer  * 10:13, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * And yeah, as for the Japanese wiki, the only thing is that the administration there is essentially dead, and the only administrator has last edited in 2011 and last signed in in 2012. The only thing close to administration related activity is that an administrator from the Japanese wiki affiliated with Bulb (as Bulb does have foreign language affiliates), has also made 23 edits there, and 2nd-player is known as 2P (that's what his username stands for), he's an admin on Bulb's Japanese wiki which I also contribute to.
 * I will try to add the links to any episode or Pokémon pages I've created there and those that already exist there (same goes for any other pages we have English language equivalents for here). However, I won't list the full Japanese subtitle (サブタイトル is what I've seen them call it for episode names in the lists there) of the episode in the page name on the Japanese language wiki, because they're incredibly long (I'll just use for example for XY001, just call it "XY hen dai ichi(1) hanashi") and there's also the matter of half width and full width punctuation. On Bulb's Japanese wiki, they use half width punctuation for things such as the exclamation marks on the page itself, with full width commas. They do use all full width punctuation for the episode list, and that's just their format style. (and yeah, I do always make sure when referring to location names in the real world, even on a wiki for a language that is usually popularly spoken in only one country, or for a wiki on a language that is generally natively spoken outside of the country such as English, to be neutral on location, I either don't refer to Japan as "there", "overseas", "foreign", "international" if I don't refer to my country that way, because this wiki is for users who can speak English fluently, not just those who don't live in Japan, and I don't use language on articles that implies that the reader is someone who does or doesn't live in that country (such as referring to the United States as "our country" or any other country as "our country", and I don't use language like "over in Japan or (this country)" because that definitely implies it's a country the reader doesn't live in), because the wiki is intended to be read by anyone who can fluently speak that language good enough, regardless of their geographical location)
 * I do think however we should use full width punctuation on this wiki in all instances because it distinguishes it from the half-width English that we use here. There are also full width English characters in unicode such as ｔｈｅｓｅ　ｏｎｅｓ I can type from my Japanese keyboard setting, but at least always using half width in English and always using full width in Japanese here is always consistent format for articles, similar to how there's half width Japanese katakana characters such as ﾎﾟｹｯﾄﾓﾝｽﾀｰ.
 * For example, I think that カロス地方にやてっきた！夢と冒険のはじまり！！ should be preferred over カロス地方にやてっきた! 夢と冒険のはじまり!! in every reference it is referred to here or any half width version of the katakana.
 * I think we can refer to the earthquake and tsunami that caused the postponement of the fishing sommelier episode and the Rocket and Plasma gang episodes not being aired to this day as the Touhoku earthquake and tsunami and link to its Wikipedia page, instead of referring to it as the Great East Japan Earthquake in bold, mainly because it also involved a tsunami and that is just another name for the earthquake and it is not the main subject of the article (whereas we usually always bold the name of the subject of the article in the opening to give a name for it), another reason because is that putting it in bold unnecessarily emphasizes it in a tone that implies that whoever is reading the article does not live in Japan and has no awareness of the earthquake happening in their country. We should also be neutral when mentioning geographical locations per neutral point of view because the wiki is readable for anyone who can use English fluently, not just those who do not live in a country where the native popularly spoken language is not English - we should also refer to Japan neutrally as we do any other country in the world it should be no different, as there are also people born natively in Japan who read English language wikis, and the Japanese Wikipedia also has a Wikipedia namespace page asking that its natively Japanese users only use tone and language in articles that takes everything from a global perspective, not just implying a Japan perspective, so do all the other Wikipedias for languages that are generally only dominantly spoken in one country.
 * Basically, what I'm talking about is neutral point of view. Nothing on an article should be there to imply that no one reading the article lives in that country, according to which I've removed the second reference in the same sentence on the Kanto page of Tokyo being a Japanese capital as it said something like "Kanto is named after a location in Japan known as Tokyo which is the Japanese capital of the country" or something along those words because it makes an (although somewhat) minor implication that whoever reads the article does not live in Japan by specifying that it's in Japan for a second time in the same sentence.
 * Another thing, I wouldn't consider this name calling. While that user's grammar is not that highly understandable, he's essentially saying "We're shutdown (as in inactive) due to [the] Energy X moderator (as in admin) [blocking us]. But I'm currently editing other wikis."

 Pokémon Gamer  * 11:29, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * As for consistency, I think we should use American English spellings of words in articles (in other words, color, honor, behavior, rather than colour, honour, or behaviour) due to the Pocket Monsters franchise being translated into English within the United States, and the English version of the games, anime, etc. all use American English grammar as such. I'm a native of the country, so it's not really difficult to remember to use, and it's not like they would feel the need to actually go through the script of the games and change every reference to "color" as "colour" or "canceled" to "cancelled", because if we're going to be consistent, it's best to use the grammar style of the native country of whatever language it is (in other words, the English translated versions of Pokémon such as in the United Kingdom and Canada are based on those in the United States).
 * Edit: And another thing, I don't think we should have different listings for Spanish and Italian Pokémon names because they are always the same as the English names. If they were to ever start to break that tradition and make up new names, then I guess we may be able to add those, but they always use the same names as the English names and never make up new ones for those languages.  Pokémon Gamer  * 11:47, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think just covering those languages under that group would get the word across better than listing them separately. As for the punctuation, I'm saying it should maybe be full width punctuation for the exclamation marks, question marks, commas and periods in all cases of Japanese where it appears such as episode titles (i.e. ！？. 、, not !?.,), that's so we're going by a consistent format in episode titles. It also looks better when comparing it to the English text on the articles, just like how Bulbapedia and Bulb's Japanese wiki have a consistent formatting that is preferred for cases of it appearing. Bulb uses full width in all cases, and the Japanese wiki they have use half width on the episode pages themselves and full width on the episode lists. I think we should use full width in all cases because it looks better when compared to the half width English text on the page and gives it a consistent format.  Pokémon Gamer  * 12:53, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

(reset indent) I think we can translate 海底の in BW098's title as either "undersea" or "abyssal". This isn't entirely nitpicking, because it would make it true if we put a trivia mention there of the English title being an exact translation of the Japanese title, us translating it as "undersea" instead of "underwater" would make it true. XY024's English title shows that TPCi generally translates 海底の as "undersea" but at the same time, 海底 and 遺跡 are officially translated as "abyssal" and "ruins" in the English name for Abyssal Ruins respectively, so it's hard to tell whether we should have it as abyssal or undersea. I don't think we should put it as "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple! (メロエッタと海底の神殿！)" because that would imply that the episode was not dubbed, I think we could list it both in the translation and the English title with the translation the same as the English title ("Meloetta and the Undersea Temple! (メロエッタと海底の神殿！)"). It could maybe be translated as "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple!" because it's meant to be taken as if the English dub title is an exact translation of the Japanese one and 海底の is translated by TPCi as "undersea", after all the Abyssal Ruins is not called 海底の遺跡, it's called 海底遺跡. Pocketmonsters.net calls the episode "Meloetta and the Abyssal Temple!" for the Japanese title because they use official English names for minor things such as moves and locations, though based on the dub title being an exact translation of the Japanese one, it may be best for us to translate it the same as the English title.  Pokémon Gamer  * 13:12, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I have Japanese as a keyboard option, so I can just go in and type them out without needing to copy and paste them in, I don't need to copy and paste the full title in just for a few characters, I can just type them in there.  Pokémon Gamer  * 13:19, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

The dub's 16th season
Should we refer to it as "Pokémon: Adventures in Unova" for content in episodes before the name change and "Pokémon: Adventures in Unova and Beyond" for content in episodes after the name change? This is due to episodes before the 125th episode of the series, titled "Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!" in the dub, not being called "in Beyond" in the season name and this is mainly supported by how the logo in the WTP segment is the one without "[...] and Beyond" and that's the official name that goes for episodes before BW125 and for episodes BW125 and later, "and Beyond" is inserted at the end. It can work like this: Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova. We aren't going to restart from one at BW126 and consider it a new season, we can just continue picking up with the current one's order. We always go by the DVD's for which episodes fall under a season (apparently that's the case, otherwise we'd by calling the latter episodes of the "Pokémon: Indigo League" series as season 2 episodes, because that's how it is on the television seasons, due to the networks considering their seasons not to go beyond 52 episodes), also according to which episodes before BW125 are considered without the "and Beyond" thing at the end, and that DVD was released in 2014 according to the listings for it which I found, as we go by the DVD seasons (which go by the season titles specifically), not the seasons in which it aired on TV that the official English-language Pokémon site and iTunes, Google Play, and Amazon Video go by.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:18, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, best to just have it noted that it was that before then, but that DVD releases have it as it was before the change for episodes that came before it, besides "Adventures in Unova and Beyond" can be used to refer to an overall description of the series than just the episodes before it. And Wikia staff got my username display customization to work.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:31, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * It had to use the encoded form of the character and then it would work and there was a comma missing after Ellis99's username.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:42, August 7, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, The Claws of Santa is constantly swearing in his comments, after being told more than once to stop.--

DP082
In DP082, the character Hiroki/Takuya was originally Hiroki for original airings and Takuya in later airings. Should we maybe list an image (Hamilton.png) for the design of the character in the later airings (i.e., the design that is generally accepted as the updated main design, and was used in the dub) and put a picture of the original design (Hamilton original design.png) in the trivia section? As a small thumbnailed image for example? I can get a picture of the original design from the "next episode preview" segment that's shown in DP081 because even later airings or DVD releases did not include the updated design in the preview segment that's shown at the end of the episode.  Pokémon Gamer  * 14:41, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a single character for a single episode. It was updated for rereleases of the Japanese-language version and in the dubbed English releases. That's what I was saying (and the Japanese versions of episodes are not exclusive to first airings on TV Tokyo, to torrents that come from the first airing and the first airings on its affiliated networks contrary to popular belief, it is also rereleased on Hulu, Amazon Prime, and the rental DVD's, where the updated design is included, and channels such as Kids Station and BS Japan air reruns of the episodes too). Although I don't know how we could do a single image gallery on the character page for the old design in the original airing. Would it be more logically best to just list the old design to the right as a thumbnailed image?  Pokémon Gamer  * 15:00, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

Hey Underaged users on Discussion post
''Might need to be blocked off thought i'd report my finds to you once i have a under aged user confirmed i'll let you know below okay. Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 17:35, August 9, 2017 (UTC) ''

Nervermind...Trainer Micah (talk) 18:02, August 9, 2017 (UTC)

"Magician Berry"
Just to let you know for SM035, "Magician Berry" is a horribly flawed translation of マゴのみ made by those highly inaccurate subs that are released within hours to a day of the episode's airing. The real translation of it is "Mago Berry" and that is the official English term of the word.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:00, August 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * And when you get around to writing SM036, I've noticed that those subs also mistranslate Kapu Tetefu's nickname as the "God of Life", it's really the "Ruins of Life Guardian Deity".  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:03, August 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, since those early subs tend to be likely to mistranslate words (as they did with SM033 and SM035), I just want to keep this known that "tasogare no sugata" translates to "Dusk Form" in English, because they will likely come up with a mistranslation of it when those early subs release.  Pokémon Gamer  * 14:22, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

Opening songs
If we're not going to use videos on the Japanese song pages, should we just not use them on the English song pages as well? And just specifically use them for the page of the dub season? And should we do full character lists for the Japanese songs as well? Also, I think the page Pokémon - Theme Songs should be renamed Opening and ending songs because it's obvious which franchise it is and the dash is not something that we regularly use in page titles. The least I've done is put the ending songs category under the theme songs category because they are officially termed as "themes" (テーマ) on screen in the episodes themselves during the credits and on the TV Tokyo website. I think we can do the dub theme videos on the main page though because they're English but they're still up to date, for example, at least as of XY/SM, the first two episodes appear to air as previews of the unfinished dubs of the episodes just days later than the original airing which I believe they include the upcoming dub theme for those episodes as well. After all, the reason why the Japanese songs are slightly underrepresented is because of the common misconception that a.) no one ever watches the original Japanese versions of any original series or AG episodes, and the only way such episodes are obtained is through the pocketmonsters group, and that they magically appear to have what no one else does (again, false, because they actually have sources they use, without which they wouldn't be able to put up the subs, I know the sources though, but I won't disclose them because they're pirated and illegal), but then again the only versions pocketmonsters offers for their older encodes is the built-in-stone subs, b.) that everyone watches the English dubs of such episodes only and that the Japanese songs are just out there to build pages on them and they're just a "YouTube only" thing, and c.) that there's only original Japanese versions of the modern episodes, banned episodes, and ones that pocketmonsters have released subbed. The truth is that the English dubs tend to be more accessible but the Japanese versions (old and new episodes alike) are provided via Japanese video on demand services like Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon Prime (the former two, I actually pay for monthly, the latter of which someone else who pays for it yearly gives me videos of them, but the only reason no one else seems to be able to access them except for me, is because they're region locked to only be accessible in Japan, but they base it on IP address, which means that I can access them even though I don't live in Japan), and I know where to find downloadable videos of the Japanese episodes from reruns on Kids Station and BS Japan, all being methods that no one else on this wiki have in mind. The only Japanese episodes everyone else here obtains are ones pocketmonsters provides subbed, including the banned ones, and the torrents of the newer episodes that are bootlegged and ripped from TV airings, with all the logos and text onscreen and everything. The reason I've been able to provide the wiki with images of the ending themes of older episodes is because while they usually have no videos online to take them from, I know where to find all the older Japanese episodes and they're not through methods usually used by anyone else on this wiki - the ones used by other users are usually from torrents of recent episodes or through someone uploading it on YouTube, and I can even put up images for the Japanese songs in episodes that haven't been subbed yet as I know where to find the original, undubbed, unsubbed episodes myself.

So maybe we can expand on the Japanese songs the same way as for the English songs? (including that page rename for the song list page?) This is because the current definition of "theme songs" on that page appears to apply to opening songs only, but the ending themes are officially considered theme songs, and the templates on pages we've recently updated have also made it clear that "theme songs" is also applicable to original version endings as well.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 10:22, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

Can you please look into Fatboyslim2005? He's been making rude comments towards other users, and I really don't like it.--http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 Annabeth and Percy  🎵You're scared, I'm nervous, but I guess that we did it on purpose.🎵  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 00:47, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Good. Thank you!--

Message from Orange Mo
Hi, how come we don't use message walls? And how to become promote?

I plan editing here for while. :) Orange Mo (talk) 22:35, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Oh hi, Energy X, I hope you're having a good day. But I need to ask something regarding blocking users who haven't made any edits? I understand the one that was banned from chat, but why do this? If they haven't broken any policies here then there is no need to block those users. :) Orange Mo (talk) 05:35, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Keep a eye on my report on discussion post
It seems Pandurang Pantakar & FatboySlim2005 are kinda causing problems follow user Maaz Ghani i reported to watch them.


 * So you notice if they don't stop after i return tomorrow night can you block whoever for two weekends thanks. Sorry i can't link but yeah these two wow. So you notice...Trainer Micah (talk) 00:18, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

And now Rabbital is swearing and generally being rude.--http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 Annabeth and Percy  🎵You're scared, I'm nervous, but I guess that we did it on purpose.🎵  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 16:38, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

The few I've reported to you recently are not new users. They've been here for a while. They know better, and they're just choosing not to follow the rules.--http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 Annabeth and Percy  🎵You're scared, I'm nervous, but I guess that we did it on purpose.🎵  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 16:40, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

"Puppet" series
It's this thing on the official Pokémon YouTube channel. Although I do agree, it may be a candidate for deletion, I don't know enough about the subject to know whether it should be deleted or not (it's not the type of thing we usually cover). All I know is what the content means in English translation.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:08, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Either delete or consider it a shorts series? There are English dubs of Pikachu and other shorts that we have articles on that are "aired" through the official USA localized English website or YouTube channel for the English localized Pokémon channel. If we ever need them, here are the titles and my translations of them (my god, what a pain it is working with pure hiragana for many of these, I need to actually watch them to get context):

And short 20 hasn't released yet, the title was instead revealed onscreen at the end of short 19 on the see you next time thingy. So we don't know anything about it other than of course, vaguely the title.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:54, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Short 1: しんか (Evolution)
 * Short 2: 理想のトレーナー (The Ideal Trainer)
 * Short 3: ひんし (Fainting)
 * Short 4: ふゆのなやみ (Winter Troubles)
 * Short 5: あたらしい ともだち (New Friends)
 * Short 6: マイペース (At My Own Pace)
 * Short 7: バレンタイン (Valentine)
 * Short 8: たきび (Bonfire)
 * Short 9: ポケモンセンター (Pokémon Center)
 * Short 10: なみのり (Surfing)
 * Short 11: アローラのニャース (Alolan Meowth)
 * Short 12: あまいゆうわく
 * Short 13: しりとり (Shiritori)
 * Short 14: ごちそう
 * Short 15: おんがえし (Returning the Favor)
 * Short 16: ニャース商店～Pikachu in the forest編～ (Meowth Business ~Pikachu in the forest edition~)
 * Short 17: ピクニック (Picnic)
 * Short 18: ビートボックス (Beatboxing)
 * Short 19: こわいはなし (Scary Stories)
 * Short 20: バトル (Battle)
 * As for those images, there doesn't appear to be many where I can edit them without there being a noticeable edit (that's why I just clean images from the start without using the dub's garbage with the Cartoon Network logo). Usually for anime images, I always obtain them from logoless sources because that's my style of uploading anime images, I'm not saying it's required. Maybe it's best to check to see if there are other sources where they can be obtained without said logo, watermark or whatever.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:58, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Nah, I think it's possible to edit those with the English translation over the Japanese text box. Bulbapedia prefers to edit out and blank the text box if it's not an official translation or use the Japanese ones as temporaries. I can't exactly do this without messing up the look of the image, and that's that - it's nothing to do with willing to do it - it's about being able to do it without messing up the image, and that's not possible. The reason I was able to easily edit out the logo out of those images on that other wiki is because it's a small logo over a background that still looks fairly legitimate without messing it up when editing it. If you can give me any Japanese sources and if I can find the font used in the textboxes, I can try typing them in and photoshopping the image to remove the logo that way. I don't see why it would be preferred to noticeably screw up the image in favor of not having the logo - it's best to photoshop the English text over a Japanese image if indeed that is possible, which I don't know yet. Like, I can do it without messing up the whole image, it's just that the bottom right will look awkward. Maybe I can upload an example of that to show?  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:26, August 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * This is my best attempt at removing the logo text out of one of them. Unlike anime episodes which I can access clean textless and logoless videos of, I cannot get textless images of that because I'm not an expert at finding manga sources. I had to use the Photoshop Clone Stamp Tool. The possibility of editing an image to remove text without noticeably screwing it up is based on what the specific logo is and what's supposed to be behind it.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:49, August 13, 2017 (UTC)

Excuse me, but can you help me with something please?

http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/p/3074991977364718732/r/3075035433424389802#32338147

Please help!!!! Stop this madness!!! (This is actually quite serious)

This user is just trolling, insulting users, and such. Maybe an alt/sock of another account. Can you check it out?--http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 Annabeth and Percy  🎵You're scared, I'm nervous, but I guess that we did it on purpose.🎵  http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/howtotrainyourdragon/images/f/f8/Toothless_Glasses.gif/revision/latest?cb=20161110045342 02:43, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Seasons
For the opening in the American season episodes (due to us going by the US seasons), once we get up to SM053, should we stop listing Under The Alolan Sun as the opening theme? The reason is because all seasons produced under the TPCi dub have only gone up to 52 episodes, unlike the original ones done by 4Kids where the production seasons and the DVD seasons (the latter of which we go by) were inconsistent due to limitations of American television networks - they aren't given free will to choose an amount of episodes that goes past 52, so they considered all episodes that share a common title (Pokémon: Indigo League, for example) season 1 on the dub DVD's (the US dub DVD's being the ones we go by for our season listings here) but season 1 production-wise ends with the episode titled The Breeding Center Secret in English (which is not an error on the English site's part, they are intentionally going by the production order that TV networks allow up to). In the earlier 4Kids ones for seasons 1-5 and the beginning one with season 6 which was also dubbed by 4Kids, the season numbering in the production order and the season numbering on the DVD's (which goes by the "common title" of the arc) was inconsistent. With the DVD's, they are not held with the episode time and number restriction the networks restrict them to. The TV guides do consider "Pokémon: Indigo League" a one-season series (i.e., arc), but that does not mean the production season is the whole arc, that's just the season title arc (the version of the term "season 1" that we go by). However, let's get to the point:

The current ones, all the ones that are being produced by The Pokémon Company International (TPCi), have the same amount of episodes per season as the DVD's - any expectation to go beyond that fails to understand how seasons work in television production. Because the American networks restrict them to 52 episodes per season (production-wise) and that's how much they expect to be produced for the dub, they also consider the TPCi-produced episodes in the production season and the DVD season titles to be the same to fall within that restriction, unlike the 4Kids-dubbed episodes where we stick with the "common title" of the arc to refer to a season (i.e., the DVD seasons), not the season of the dub's production on the network that only goes up to 52. So, Pokémon the Series: Sun & Moon (the 20th season of the English US dub) is definitely going to be over, and whatever episode is announced to be SM053 or any later episode number for that matter is definitely not going to be season 20, and is definitely not going to have the Under The Alolan Sun theme. It might be split up into part 1 and 2 like XY was with XYZ following it or have different season titles created like Best Wishes was, but anything SM053 or later is definitely not going to be season 20 and is thus definitely not going to have the Under The Alolan Sun theme, if you think carefully with an understanding of TPCi and TV network restrictions (it might even be some episodes before SM053 that will fall under season 21, but all I know is that anything past SM052 (SM053 and later) will definitely not be season 20).

So when we get towards SM053 and later episodes without the season 21 title announced by then (and the seasons thing not being applicable to the Japanese version or Japan in general), how should we do this? Should we create another table and split it on the season 20 as a temporary listing until we get any announcement on what season 21 of the English dub will be? It's not like it's guaranteed that it'll be announced alongside the Japanese run, and The Pokémon Company International advertising it as "a dub of a[n American] season" as though those exist in the Japanese version (they do not) is actually a misnomer - they are not separated that way in the original version. Bulb's German wiki separates these by seasons too so we shouldn't break apart from the dub season organizing that we're currently using (as Germany is located outside of Asia, and thus TPCi exists in Germany, and the dubbing staff makes the German version a dub over the English dub, including the USA English dub's season separation), we should just find a way to recognize that whatever episodes are SM053 or later are definitely not going to be season 20 episodes - all I know we can do is not list the Under The Alolan Sun opening in the template for those episodes, because it is definitely not going to be that when any episodes SM053 or later get around to dubbing. There's no early insight with public knowledge with TPCi - for all we know, they could've already dubbed several episodes that have not yet been announced in the Japanese version, as we know they dub episodes around (at least) 3 months or earlier prior to airing in the US (including before the Japanese airing) according to info we've had leaked before (including XY135's dub title, Rocking Kalos Defenses! leaking out to the public by some Cartoon Network fan named nhjm449 (who according to him, knows little about the anime) just days before the Japanese title was revealed), also according to the English voice of Meowth in the dub back when 4Kids was still dubbing it and Kids WB was still airing the English dub.

Finally, should we stop considering Pokémon Anime a proper noun (as in capitalizing Anime in the page title and on the page itself)? It's nowhere towards "special" just because it's made in Japan and just because the majority of users on this wiki do not live in Japan at all and have never been in Japan their whole life. (If it was the latter reason, then we're basing it on systemic bias in terms of global perspective, which we shouldn't have on an English wiki that assumes that the user or reader is fluent in English - not that the user lives or doesn't in a certain country - which is the reason why I removed the wording on Porygon-Z's article about the "stereotyping of how the Japanese pronounce their [L and R syllables]", because it takes it from an exclusively third person viewpoint assuming that the reader is not natively Japanese.) Whatever the reason is for why we're (somehow) capitalizing it, it's not a proper noun, and anime is just one of those shortened katakana words from animation and then considered in English as anime based on the shortened form in katakana to refer to Japanese animation, and I support lowercasing it when using the word anime on this wiki to refer to the whole series.  Pokémon Gamer  * 23:34, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Another question: I think we should also only consider an episode "banned" if it was removed from the English dub due to being age-inappropriate or controversial, therefore I don't think we should consider clip show episodes such as DP120 as banned ones because there was nothing wrong with them - it's just that the dub doesn't consider them relevant. The word banned also implies that it was removed for a controversy-related reason. The episodes being Japanese clip shows with Japanese text on almost every shot and the episode meant to promote the series as an overview or as a whole in the Japanese version specifically is why the English dub wouldn't include it - it's not removed from the dub for being inappropriate. This can also be put up against any other episode, such as this one that we don't consider banned - I think we should only consider an episode banned if it was banned for inappropriateness or controversy such as the Porygon one for example, or the Ice Cave one, not just because the English dub decided to pass up on it due to finding it irrelevant.  Pokémon Gamer  * 00:19, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Energy X, enough is enough 😤 See this post ( Check out this Discussion post on Fandom http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/p/3075943101303358859 ) The user is spamming in whole wikia... 😤 He's calling me idiot. So you want users like him, right? His username is *Ahnik sarkar* See his posts and Try to Ban him please. I can't tolerate that much... 😢
 * Okay, we can maybe wait until there's any confirmation on a season 21 and list all of them as season 20 episodes until then? Because while season 20 of the dub is certainly not going to go beyond 52 episodes due to the TV company's expectations for seasons, there can be some episodes before SM052 that will fall under whatever season 21 is so we can wait for any announcement or until anyone can access information on it through any official or reliable sources. Of course, they may do the same as 4Kids did and consider DVD seasons separate from TV seasons at some point too, that's the only other expectation that can be true if they were to consider season titles apart from the production seasons. All I know is that the production seasons are certainly never going to go past 52 episodes due to network broadcast restrictions that the network companies have, they may do the same as Indigo League and consider it a full "series" though, but the way I see it, they may likely split Sun & Moon into two or three as they did with XY, while doing the same as usual by restricting them to 52 episodes per season (the reason why the older seasons were going past 52 episodes is because the DVD did not restrict them to 52 episodes at most while the production organizing and the production codes restrict them to 52 episodes each season, TPCi is currently going up to 52 episodes per season on both DVD and production, and we go by the DVD's season title formatting, not the production formatting).
 * So all we can do is maybe just not list Under The Alolan Sun as the opening theme at a certain point where it is certain that it would not be the opening theme due to the episode count, as there is someone who has access to some internal info that hasn't been released otherwise on a Toonzone forum that was correct that Rival Destinies can only go up to 52 episodes and they don't know anything about the show, and they've also said they got it from a "source", indicating that it's likely someone from the Cartoon Network company who told them all that when CN was still airing the dub, but they don't want to give that out because it's a privacy issue. All we can do to stay consistent is to list them all as season 20 episodes until a season 21 named is out and released.
 * (Edit to the second comment that was here: nevermind, read below).  Pokémon Gamer  * 12:58, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see what you mean. Maybe "Skipped episodes" is better, because that would include any episode that was undubbed, not just banned for controversy, as well as episodes that were skipped in the original version such as AG101. Of course this would include episodes they were too lazy to dub, such as the post-series specials and the second one of those for XY, and specials they didn't dub, because it's unknown which ones would be considered normal and special by the dub. And we might also be able to list a section for episodes that are banned from rerunning such as IL038 and the temporarily rerun-banned episodes in the US of the Sekiei League (known as Indigo League in the English dub) that were temporarily pulled from air due to the 9/11 attacks.  Pokémon Gamer  * 13:01, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * I said "not" there as an incomplete sentence. I don't want to cause any confusion. I was meaning to write something there, not as in saying I did not understand it.  Pokémon Gamer  * 13:12, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Swearing
Energy X, a user "The Claws Of Santa" is insulting and swearing others even after a warning. One of the evidences are here:

Check out this Discussion post on Fandom http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/p/3075943101303358859 Kindly ban him. Regards. Piyush shakya1 (talk) 14:47, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * (I'm editing out these large blocks of text to make them shorter) And as said, I understand the first part - it is rash and speculative nonetheless no matter how we're doing it, whether it's the way we're doing it now (by guessing that it will all be the same season) or whether we do it subjectively based on the episode number - SM041 might easily be a season 21 episode if they announce it as such when it gets dubbed - we don't know yet. American television has restrictions that Japanese television does not - that is the part you're not understanding - the only speculation lies with whether they'll have less episodes, whether they'll show episodes out of order as they did with the Pikachu movie episode of XY, and whether they'll not dub certain episodes, but most of it is showing the episode out of order - but it is confirmed fact that the television seasons only go up to 52 episodes (can be less, but certainly not more), and the 4Kids produced and DVD seasons would be longer than that such as Indigo League, which was around 80 episodes, so they had to split them in their production season format - the 52 episode rule isn't speculation, the other distortions I mentioned are.


 * The only thing that's an issue is that we're posting episodes just because they are confirmed in the Japanese version and we are guessing that they will be categorized under the latest announced season of the dub with no word on it at all. The only way we can put just episodes that are confirmed to fall under the season are to put episodes that are only announced in the Japanese version in a split table and only add them to the main table when they are announced in the dub or announced that they won't be dubbed and that certain ones will be banned - by the end of the dub season, we'll have only one table and that's the only way to do it without speculating - don't presume that I'm not against speculation, it is annoying whenever people post speculation in articles because it is subjective and is likely to be false.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 15:24, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Another thing, if they were ever going to do another mini series as with how the Mega Evolution Acts were, would it be best to guess the titles if they appear to follow the same format, or wait until each title gets confirmed individually? I still think the fact that we were guessing English titles for those specials based on the format of the previous episode titles and the previous ones all following the same format and that it was speculation, but we don't have to worry about that specific scenario because the Mega Evolution special mini series is over by now. If they were to ever do anything like that again, I think we shouldn't guess the English titles based on the previous ones and wait for them to get confirmed one-by-one individually. Bulbapedia waited for the Mega Evolution Special dub titles to get confirmed individually, but that's a different matter - they could've easily named Mega Evolution Special IV differently for the dub (like Mega Evolution - The Finale for example) and advertise it as that in the English version - so if they were to ever do that, we shouldn't speculate what the English titles "might" be just because the others have had a format like that - and we should wait until they are individually confirmed as official. It's just like the policy not to add dub air dates until they are confirmed - we do not assume that the dubbed episodes are going to air in the United States weekly because an episode might get postponed to air after a one week break or have multiple episodes on the same day, both have occurred before. I also think we shouldn't guess the title of an episode that comes after part 1 by just changing the title to part 2, because while it's obvious the next title is going to be part 2 if part 1 is revealed, as a wiki, we must wait for things to be confirmed rather than just guess and assume.
 * On the topic of speculation, if we ever have a case where someone leaks a bunch of dub titles like it has happened in the past - should we wait until they're official (in other words, wait until they are on Zap2it in order or wait until a TV guide or schedule reveals it)? That's because these titles can be working temporary titles (meaning they are tentative, in other words the companies can change them at any time and redub the title card for example), even if they have 95% of the time turned out to be the official ones in the end. If they are scheduled, this means that the dub titles are certain, and we do use unofficial sources as long as they are real and the piece of information itself is official - for example, we use Zap2it, it isn't official, but it's owned by a huge company and uses Gracenote data to provide listings for the next month of a show, so it's reliable and the information is real even if it isn't an official source. We posted XY001 and XY002's dub titles and air dates because the user who revealed them before their official announcement is trustworthy and have turned out to have all their information correct in the past - but if they're leaking tons of titles that are not yet certain supported by how they don't yet have air dates, maybe it's best to wait until they are officially confirmed as final to start moving the pages? If anything, it's best to state tentative titles on a forum or blog posts, but we shouldn't be adding them to the pages until they are confirmed to be final. While not necessarily fake, they are unconfirmed as the final titles no matter how trustworthy the person is because they are unofficial leaks of tentative internal data - for example, they changed an episode's title from To Catch a Pokémon Monster! to To Catch a Pokémon Smuggler! and we should not assume that a tentative English title is final and official, if it is in the works of production. If the unofficial source is reliable (like how Zap2it works) and it's scheduled according to the reliable source, then at least the info is official even if the source is not - as we base it on whether the info is real, confirmed, and comes from a reliable source, regardless of the official or unofficial status of the source.  Pokémon Gamer  * 15:54, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * I edited this whole post to make it shorter - the thing with the seasons is, it's not that I prefer to go rashly ahead of things and speculate things, it's just that I don't think we should outright assume things with episode details such as guessing titles based on their similarities with other episode titles and other things.  Pokémon Gamer  * 18:04, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe put next to the "TBA" thing on the air date on the episode list until the title gets revealed? To say that it's not yet confirmed to be in that season when it gets around to dubbing, while at the same time listing the episode? The volume 3 on iTunes for the English dub's 20th season, its description (viewable here) mentions that "the class takes a trip to Akala Island—where Lana and Ash encounter a new and fearsome Totem Pokémon" which mentions SM031-SM033, confirming that SM032/SM033 will be season 20 (and that was put up on July 16, 2017, back when SM033 was the latest episode in Japan), however I think that as a principle, we should base that on whether the English dub's *title* is released. Even with TPCi's 52 episode at most per produced season restriction, episodes are sometimes shown out of order in the dub and we can't assume based on the Japanese order.
 * Also, if we were to ever run into an instance where an episode has an English title due to a dub being produced before the Japanese airing, and those titles end up getting released somehow (like how Turner Broadcasting, the owner of Cartoon Network, accidentally leaked XY024's dub title on May 20th in 2014 on its online scheduling (with the air date listed as July 5, 2014 and it being listed as a Pokémon the Series: XY season 17 episode) due to the scheduling being outdated from before the announcement of the Japanese version postponing the episode, and then pulling it down and changing it with XY025's dub title, Climbing the Walls! on May 21st, the next day later), can that be used as an English title if there's no better source giving a different title? (because titles like those are titles that were at one point official when it was dubbed, and if it ever actually airs or releases in any other way and gets dubbed like XY024 did, it is likely that they will use that as the dub title as with how XY024 got its dub title 6 months before its actual Japanese airing and therefore around 10 months prior to its actual dub airing), and I know that the unaired Plasma Gang episodes were not dubbed at all, as someone from TPCi's dub team has confirmed that those episodes specifically were sent to the US and he's seen them but TPCi chose not to dub them. We know AG101 wasn't dubbed at all because Maddie Blaustein has said in Q&A they are dubbed two to three months prior to airing in the US (as while as other things such as that the "Team Rocket is blasting off again!" phrase is recorded separately) at least with 4Kids and it usually takes them a week to finish dubbing it so there is no way it would've been dubbed if they were not going to air it, because its originally intended Japanese air date and the US air date if it was to have aired is months longer than that. So the thing is, there's no episode that has actually been fully canceled or not aired as promised in a long time as of yet, where an English title was made for it, only XY024 where it was temporarily canceled and aired later, but this could in theory work if something like this comes up where it was dubbed before the Japanese version skipped it and the title gets released somehow for the produced dub of it, just like how we did when Turner Broadcasting accidentally leaked XY024's dub title and Turner had it up there for a day on their press site, and I doubt they actually dubbed BW039's initial BW026 cut if it falls outside of their dubbing time period when compared as being prior to the airing of the dub, if they didn't get around to dubbing the Plasma Gang ones - they might have received them, but by no means would they have dubbed them, seeing as how Maddie Blaustein isn't the dub actor of IL018's 2000 dub because 4Kids skipped over it in 1998.
 * If AG101, and the Plasma Gang episodes ever actually air, and they have a different opening and ending theme to match with the current opening and ending theme, I think we can list the opening and ending theme for the final cut that actually aired, but if they don't air, we can just list the opening theme and ending theme as what they were originally intended if they would've aired. (AG101 has only been recognized in the fact that no earthquake-like moves have been used in the anime since the earthquake that caused its postponement, and IL038 has only been recognized in the dub by how it screwed up the Poké Rap order for the days of the week because the editor or whoever is responsible for managing that apparently used the originally intended Japanese order that it would've been if that incident hadn't occurred, making me wonder if 4Kids actually received the original 1997 cuts - they could've dubbed IL038 and then when having to send in the non-original cut to the network, there was none as the Japanese companies had banned the episode and they moved on from it, never looking back - but I don't know for sure, that's the only thing that would actually legitimately fall within line with the evidence we have of what is actually confirmed and not speculated - but the only other thing that's a bit odd about this is that if it was dubbed, someone would've probably leaked it and/or sold it online by now, and Veronica Taylor had said they didn't dub it and will never be dubbing it in the future.)

 Pokémon Gamer  * 20:16, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've changed my mind on the suggestion, because we could just list it next to the episode code in the table to mean that the episode has been confirmed in the Japanese version, but that doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to air in that season in non-Asian dubbing.  Pokémon Gamer  * 21:09, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I think waiting for confirmation on the 20th anniversary opening theme and the Alola!! theme used in episodes should be necessary, because it is unknown when they'll stop using it and switch back to the Alola!! theme. The rumor that I have now states that they will continue to use it for now and switch back at SM041, the other rumor I have is that they'll stop using them in the SM050's numbers and switch back next year in 2018, however that is speculation for now, nothing has been confirmed yet. I think we should wait until the TV Tokyo TV guide has a page for the episode that lists the opening theme as such which happens 8 days ahead of the airing - because no, contrary to popular belief, pocketmonsters.net is not the primary source that has exclusive access to cast lists before the episodes air and they are not the primary source that releases them contrary to the beliefs of the majority of the English-speaking Japanese version fandom - they are just translating what they read from TV Tokyo's TV guide page for the episode but no one on the wiki except for me ever uses the listings on the TV Tokyo site and they copy the voice actor info from Bulbapedia without checking it themselves. I'm just stating this to see if you believe anything about this to the contrary. They are likely going to change to Alola!! at any time now, so I think assuming it's the 20th anniversary theme is merely speculation.
 * As for anime episodes, I am currently working on storing them elsewhere so as to save space on my hard drive - I download my episode videos from someone who has the Japanese Amazon Prime service, as I only have the Japanese Hulu and Netflix services and the HD episodes that Amazon Prime has for DP, BW, XY, and SM are of the best quality yet (their 480p episodes of the older ones they have are a bit iffy on quality, but I know a group of users who distributes Pokémon episodes over an IRC storage server), but they're far better than pocketmonsters fansubs quality whereas pocketmonsters copies off TV broadcasts and Amazon Prime does not have the logos or any other TV broadcasting garbage such as the highly intrusive and distracting seizure warning and data broadcast notice at the start, and they do not have onscreen text on the next episode previews for episodes that are going to air after a one week break that state a notice as such - they still have the 次回予告 thing with the furigana letters じかいよこく written on top of it as that is normal episode content (except for at least in the Korean dub), but otherwise, there's no text or onscreen content on the episodes. So if there's any hiatus in any anime image tasks, don't be surprised. I'm trying to save them to have them personally stored away somewhere else to access them at any time.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 21:36, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Mod Request
Dear Energy X, I want to become a "Discussion moderator" for short period of time, Cuz I can't see my wiki in this condition. Please, try to understand and make me one for a while. I know that, I can do better for our Fandom. Please, a hard request from me. Please, just try for once, please energy. I know how to moderate a wiki Cuz I moderated my one so. And second, I'm now an old user here. I spent my good times here, And now I know that, I can do it, I know and you know the reason. So please, dear Energy, make me for once please. I can do whatever you want for being a moderator. I can't see fandom wiki like this. So please, just try once please sir, For your Fandom please. Please, please, please.

''Hey Energy x,I dont understand why have you agreed to promote him, last time (23 July)when i had asked you to promote me you didn't ,saying i'm inactive but today i am asking you again to promote me instead of him because i am too active,also, I think i'm elegible for that and MasterKetchum02 will have no problem because he only wants the wiki to be in a good condition so do I.So it wont matter much if you promote me.One more thing the new mod you have promoted is not upto the mark,he just comes online creates a rp post and goes offline,users like tony are creating 7-9 posts which can be done in a single one but the new mod dosen't even care to delete them,he lacks experience. I am sure you will promote me.''MAGIC KAITO (talk) 04:01, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

I have no problem, Magic kaito. But, I know, you ain't an active user there. Second, I wanna become one of them Cuz, whenever, I see any kind of spam, I'll try to remove them (whenever)! Cuz, I'm confessing that I love Pokemon wiki, and I can do anything for this (Anything). So, Sir should try for once. Anyways, I ain't here for these things rn.. Sir, There's a user "username" "Ahnik sarkar". He's spamming there in wiki, he made a new account there "username" "Tony420". Kindly ban him. He's Insulting users like us. Ahnik sarkar's bio :- Check out Ahnik Sarkar on Pokemon. http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/u/32855459 Tony's Bio :- Check out Tony420 on Pokemon. http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/u/32864886 Please, try to check his all Replies and deleted replies too. He accepted that both accounts are same.
 * Maybe we can change the Pokédex links for the other sites as "see also" or "on other sites" or anything similar? "Sources" implies that those sites are the official, primary references of the information seen on the articles, which they are not except for the English site Pokémon.com, and Serebii.net is not the primary source of everything, they use datamined information such as encounter rates from people who know how to hack the game (for example, I know how to hack the game for Gens I-V), and they are not "primary" sources as in taking them from Nintendo. They are more like "see also" links, and they are not the primary sources of information seen on the article, so I think we should change the section names to match that.  Pokémon Gamer  * 19:28, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

I just checked out Discussion profile's
And Master Ketchum 02's reports right ^ Tony420 is Ahnik Sarkar as reported. Thought i'd let you know. Kind Regard's i'll check other reports as well....Trainer Micah (talk) 03:49, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

''Thank you for the message and checking it's amazes me how users misbehave. So you notice i'll check the other reports out when i return. Amazingly Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 14:11, August 18, 2017 (UTC)''

Username
I am absolutely certain that this is an unacceptable username, and can therefore be blocked indefinitely. The username essentially says "big ****" in another way, which is usually taken as a dirty or swear word here.  Pokémon Gamer  * 11:16, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

Username editing?
Energy X, how to edit our existing username? Well, I want to change my username as I don't want to share my personal name publically, which I realised now. If there is any way it is possible, kindly give me the link of it in my talkpage or here itself. Thank you! Regards. Piyush shakya1 (talk) 14:01, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

Underage
Sir, I caught two users, who are underage! So wanna check this post whether it is deleted, It'll help youm ^_^ Check out this Discussion post on Fandom http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/p/3078848308953744448

Username's : Malay dey and Renu veg

Mod Request over again.
Your Fandom is going in Hell, Admin. Why don't you understand, sir. Paul alone can't handle it. Sir, This time, I'm lastly requesting you, Please make me a Moderator and then see. Please, It's my last request here. And, yeah, I'm saying I can do whatever you want for becoming a moderator. You an TRUST on me. I won't leave wiki. I know how to moderate. I ain't a Noob in these things!! Please, a hardly last request accept it Please and make me mod right now. I know that I CAN HANDLE USERS!!!

Ok then, I'll try my best ^_^. But, Seriously, the situation made me calling them like this. Know why? Cuz I never thought most indians except me and Paul will Spam there. You can see on your own there.

What I have to do?
Energy X, May I know what should I do for becoming a moderator? 😅 Cuz I still don't know. Plus, You can see I'm the most active user on wiki, so you notice. And, Answer me of this Question first!:3

Please Make me
Energy X, This is enough. Can't you make me a mod Right now. I did each and every thing for becoming a mod. I was a more active user than anyone. I spent my times there instead of studying in Noon, I studied my books in Night time and spent my every time there. Please try to understand and make me one please. Requesting to you, I don't think anyone requested like me. I know that, I'm able to handle users. If I'll do any wrong just demote me. But, please for once make me a mod. Please, I won't insult anyone I won't do anything wrong there. Please. Please. Admin! Please give me rights. Just for once please sir.

Yo NegatronWildHawk (talk) 10:33, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Post-episode segments
Those "gag" segments (Live Caster, Poké TV, Poké Question) only exist in the Japanese version, and the Asian dubs that base on the Japanese version (such as the Korean one, whereas the Korean version of the franchise is also based on the English version too, with some of the Pokémon names they have being transliterated from English localized ones, mixed with many of them that are based on the normal Japanese names), and they are cut from the dub - even the Japanese Netflix service that skips those along with the next episode previews, segments that are always left intact in other releases such as DVD's, Hulu, Amazon Prime, reruns, and original airings most of the time. The dub skipping them is just a dub edit (and I admit, one of the reasons why I primarily follow the Japanese version as I have for a while now, because it has more segments with cool stuff in them), and as most versions outside of Asia (such as dubs for Spanish and French, and others like German and Italian, where TPCi also exists) use the English dub as the basis for their own dub (therefore, you see tons of titles in those dubs that appear to be translated from the English ones, and the segments follow the English dub as such, excluding next episode preview, and those mini/side segments that are added to the episode), whereas the Asian ones almost always have the next episode preview in them because they are translating the narrations and onscreen content of the Japanese preview - which is actually a segment in the episode, contrary to the popular belief that it is just a thing shown on first airings and on TV Tokyo's YouTube channel just to promote the episode - and many anime have "next episode previews" that follow after the credits, not just this one, so it's normal for the original Japanese version of any anime to include such previews - whereas those Sunday morning ones (Pokénchi, Pokémon Sunday, generally referred to on YouTube as "", which they're not actually called officially) are not episode segments - they are one time promotional teasers that are shown specifically for a Japan-based Sunday morning show on TV Tokyo, so it's not like it's something we should note in the trivia section of pages - that would be more "videos" suited for before the episode airs.

I don't think having it on all those pages is necessary - but it wasn't me who thought about making all those edits at first, it was Wikiamem. Saying on the anime page, something about a general dub differences section or something like that, that segments like side ones (Orchid-hakase ones, Poké TV, Trivia Quiz in some AG episodes I've noticed, and Poké Question), 5-second jikai otanoshimini tags (which appear to exist solely on Hulu and reruns in the Japanese version, and are thus not that popularly known to exist), and next episode previews are always excluded from every episode in the dub. We can also maybe mention a few times where it has conflicted with the main story line as examples and that they've been excluded in the dub as a result (for example, the Booster in XY095 using Flamethrower was removed from the English dub's canon), and just put it at "all of them are excluded in the dub" - that would be (likely) more notable on the page for the anime in general - just because one episode out of every single one of the hundreds and nearly thousand that exclude it, exclude the segment shouldn't be notable to put on every single page.  Pokémon Gamer  * 10:57, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

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Post series specials discussion
Just to let you know, Mega Evolution Special IV is a Pocket Monsters XY special that is considered the final episode of XY as a whole when put into listings such as the rental DVD's of the Japanese version, Amazon Prime's Japanese service, and I remember when Hulu Japan still had the streaming licensing rights to stream XY series episodes, they put it in the XY playlist, not the XY&Z playlist (and all the official listings scatter the specials with the main episodes, so it's officially XY), so it's an XY arc special, not an XY&Z arc special, regardless of if it aired alongside XY094 in the 1 hour special airing. Even the dub aired it as the last episode premiere of 2015 before going on a months break and returning with XY094 in February 2016. I don't want them to be incorrectly listed as Pocket Monsters XY&Z if we ever need to specify that in an article, it's really Pocket Monsters XY (I want to avoid confusion on which one it is so you're aware).

Also, I remember you said that it doesn't belong in a "specials" season - well, we have Rougela's Christmas and The Bivouac of Iwark - the two specials that aired later as lost episodes (the Rougela's Christmas one being shown in the next episode preview at the end of IL038, the episode that only aired once, due to that being its originally intended order).

As for post series specials (as we discussed earlier), I think now it may be best to number them as normal episodes (such as XY141 and XY142) and have the opening paragraph say that it is "the special 48th/49th episode of Pokémon the Series: XYZ" and apply this to every season. All official Japanese episode lists such as Amazon Prime, reruns on Kids Station, and Hulu scatter the specials (such as Mega Evolution) within the normal episodes, so that's not what we're working by. We should consider it this way because it is neither 100% regular or special, there is official confirmation that it is either - they are treated as "extra" (i.e., "special") episodes by the Japanese version - they are extras of the normal main series, not completely 100% "purely" specials - this is why the segments are the same as any other normal episode, such as the post episode segment, the WTP, and the opening and ending, and why the previews are not different - see here, the previews are different for "merely 100% specials", such as the preview for Mega Evolution Act IV shown after XY093 promoting it with a different title card and putting the logo to the side - that's because in the official lists, they are treating it as though the "special" which is scattered with the normal ones on sources like Amazon Prime fall next in the order (or in this case, the Amazon Prime playlist), and thus they make specially designed 30 second next episode previews for those (such as how they put the logo in the bottom right corner on Mega Evolution Act IV's preview), the preview for the post series specials indicates that it is the same as a regular episode - the promotion of them as "specials" is meant to indicate that they are normal episodes that are "extra" type specials - the dub considers them to be normal as you can see by the XYZ episode's dub - there are official sources that say it is both normal and special, the sources that say it is normal just don't mention its status as being "normal", the source is just that the segments are the same because it's obvious they're treating it as "normal" - they are just normal episodes with the only reason for them being treated as special is due to their post series inclusion as "extras" but they are also otherwise normal episodes - there is no objective proof that it is 100% of either - it is best to number them XY141 and XY142 and consider them "special [x number] episode of the season" and also list them on the Pokémon Special page, same goes with the other ones, because those are neutral towards either, and it's not like the mere 100% specials - see how Bulb's Japanese affiliate considers them both normal and special episodes, because they are officially both - of course, since you don't know Japanese, I'll translate to you what they're saying in the opening paragraph: "The Strongest Duo! Citron and Dent!! is the Pocket Monsters XY [series] 142nd episode. It is the 49th episode of XY&Z and is a special arc episode." They are officially both - I think we should make it more able to be found on episode lists and consider it both to be less confusing, because it is to be viewed as though it is a normal episode of the series while being an "extra" type special - so the dub knows what they're doing in considering it normal, it's not that surprising and it will help us add it to the XYZ episode list without confusion. But as with OI001 (which starts the Orange Islands adventure arc), the location of Satoshi in his journey is irrelevant to the status of an episode's series it belongs in officially.

Bulb's Japanese wiki also considers the Christmas episodes of Sekiei League with Satoshi's Lizardon still a Hitokage as special episodes and they name the page by their episode's title - they are following the same logic that I am suggesting here - in the official plot line of the series, they are airing as lost episodes as they were able to refresh from the IL038 incident with Pikachu's Forest newly created as the new IL039, so there's no telling whether Rougela's Christmas or Pikachu's Forest is, in continuity, first or second, because they are officially aired as lost episodes later on - that logic does not apply to later episodes like BW039, or XY024. Because these post series episodes are considered episodes of the normal series order as well as "extras" (i.e., "specials" in that case), it is better to name it under the normal episode numbering and consider it the "special [x number of episode in season] episode" as to avoid confusion and make things a lot, lot simpler - while using how it is officially intended in the Japanese version to refer to those types of episodes. The only reason I need to get admin approval of this is because this is something likely of a nature that would need to be discussed - the thing about XY024 being season 18 and not season 17 did not need to be discussed because there were objective, official sources that cleared up the situation - including dubbed DVD seasons, which is mainly what we go by here, regardless of the numbering.

Just because most of the English speaking Pokémon fan sites consider those post series episodes merely as specials with no recognition to the fact that they're also officially considered normal episodes on the other hand (just as "extras" specials of the main episode count), doesn't mean this is not manageable in any way. Considering them "special [x number episode] of the season" because they are formatted that way by the episode segments (such as the Japanese-only post episode segment and the others in the Japanese version and dub alike) - even to the point of being considered normal in the dub as recognized by TPCi - is more neutralized and centered on being formatted differently than other special episodes in being half counted as a normal episode, and half special. I see why the fan site wikis in non-English languages consider them as "special edition episodes of the normal episode count/normal series number" and I find their reasoning perfectly legitimate and reasonable. It's less confusing, more manageable (makes the episode page more able to find), and for one thing we're not going to have to worry about people moving it without a consensus, and the English dub considers it a normal episode because that's partially what it is (based on the format of the episode segments, as they want you to think of it as a "special episode of the main story canon" (i.e., applicable to the main episode count), so it's easier to just have it as the main episode number count while being considered "specials" in the sense that they are extra pairs of episodes to the main episode count of the pair of episodes that have nothing to do with the main journey.

It's also comparable to DP120 - it's a Japanese version only clip show but we don't consider it merely a special just because it's an overview - it's officially an episode, with the plot being an overview summary and therefore being irrelevant to the dub. These post series ones are special episodes of the main story plot of the season, and they are officially treated as such - we shouldn't treat them merely as specials, we should treat them as how it is considered to be both officially, and it's more (officially) accurate in the series count than calling it merely a special.

[I hope by this point, you can see why it is as I'm stating it is by how it is placed in the series officially in the original Japanese canon, sorry if that was too much to read but I wanted to explain the details of it clear enough.]

The reason why the Christmas specials of the Sekiei League are considered as specials is because they were able to fill the continuity gap by refreshing the anime's 1997 fans with the Pikachu's Forest episode after a 4 month break and there would be no way to put it within continuity sufficient enough. The best way to do it would be how we do it, make up the OVA episode code and put it under there, listing it over the originally intended numbered episodes as they were the originally intended order. But in the new continuity with the Pikachu episode, it was safe enough to therefore conclude that the episodes are being aired as lost episodes later and are included in a dub season - the same as how we consider IL018 a normal episode due to being as such in the Japanese version but the dub's seasons do not recognize it, it just aired as a standalone lost episode special that only aired twice on Kids WB and never being seen again in the US. That's why these post series specials, or even BW039 or XY024 to start off with, are not the same as Rougela's Christmas and Iwark Bivouac.

After all, this is not the only time that something would be considered 特別編 (tokubetsu-hen, special edition since I know you're not one of the few users here who can read Japanese) and be numbered the same way as a normal episode. We've already agreed that if BW023 and BW024 are ever aired or otherwise released, they are likely going to air them as special episodes (likely they would consider it BW material airing years overdue as with the second post series special, which aired months overdue during XY), but regardless we are going to keep the numbering as is but listing it on the Pokémon Special page would be sufficient...maybe. They could choose not to create any post series specific SM specials and air the Plasma Gang ones as SM or as years overdue BW specials or anything like that - after all, those episodes were intended to be aired on two separate weeks with the first part ending off on a cliffhanger until next week - heck, they can even choose to dub them as lost episodes and air them as specials in the English dub, just not under a dub season, or air them in English two days after Japan like they did with XY001/XY002 as Japan is in Thursdays time slot and the US is Saturdays, so Saturday is two days after Thursdays on a single week, and can fill in that time slot perfectly within a two day gap.

If we go by my suggestion, the numbering of the episodes in the infobox and the season pages would need to be updated to include 6 episodes (DP/BW/XY extra episode pairs) as being officially partially normal episodes but this is just the same as BW023/BW024 - either we do a consistent format with those (if they ever air, as we agreed), or we not - but on wikis, it's always the best to remain consistent with that kind of stuff.  Pokémon Gamer  * 00:42, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

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That was actually a BW one - it was aired months in delay, but official episode lists such as on Amazon Prime consider it BW, and the opening, ending theme, and segments follow the BW theme. Airing during the XY series did not affect much - it was aired as a one hour special premiere with an XY episode - but the dragon master thing is a BW special. The preview for it wasn't shown after the Dent and Takeshi one because it was not immediately followed but the Amazon Prime release, which treats the anime previews as in episode segments (yes, they (usually) apply to anime in general), rather than promotional clips, shows the preview for it at the end of the Dent and Takeshi one - it was a post series BW episode and special, but aired months in delay, it is officially apart of the BW pair, not the XY pair (the ones after XYZ), it was just initially aired during XY, that's all. The reason why some official sites like TV Tokyo and Pokémon Company didn't include the dragon master episode is because they're based on the initial broadcasts, and they wouldn't put it under the archived Best Wishes section, and this episode is therefore not recognized on DVD, this episode hardly has recognition on rereleases, but the Amazon Prime library has it, and includes the preview for it at the end of the Dent and Takeshi one - so it's officially apart of the BW pair, as expected, just airing months in delay. If the Plasma Gang episodes air as specials, they would be considered BW ones here, just airing years in delay, that's all. Of course then they would have to edit the dragon master special to insert the preview for part 1, and put part 2 edited without the BW025 preview attached. But nonetheless, even if it aired during SM, we would consider them BW specials and keep them in their original storyline numbering due to how it would affect over a hundred page moves down the road.

The title for the 2nd BW post series episode special was notably accidentally leaked on the official website's section for BW when it was up for a very brief time frame when it was listed alongside the already aired episodes and was taken down just a short time after (like after being up for minutes), but there were people who visited that page and still saw it, so that's when Bulbapedia created it there, and that's when it originally got revealed. It was also so extremely obvious that it was real, because promotional first broadcast screening after a few of the episodes of the series that are not apart of the post series pair showed clips that indicated there would be an episode with that type of content in it. This also makes me wonder if that episode was ever rescheduled but it wasn't announced at first or whether they intended it to air later due to them having a certain deadline by which XY would start.

And even if Rougela's Christmas aired normally after IL038 if the IL038 incident never happened, we would've considered it IL039 - they only aired them as lost episode 1998 Christmas specials because they were rescheduled to approach the end of the next year as Christmas specials that are not relevant to the plot, as can be seen with how Satoshi's Lizardo/Lizardon (wherever it was evolved then) was seen as its Hitokage form, same goes with the Iwark Bivouac one - back when I don't remember how many years back it was when I started following the anime, that's what got me to go online and I realized the Cyber Soldier Porygon (IL038) thing was why Satoshi still had Hitokage unevolved in the plot during the original Japanese version of the anime, and subsequently the dub. Whatever version finally aired is what is considered canon here, such as how we named the fishing sommelier episode as BW039 instead of BW026, because that's its canon continuity in terms of how it finally aired in the end.

The Pikachu Forest episode was created to air in April after the Porygon incident was resolved - makes sense, as clearly, in Japan, scheduling is very delicate and things are planned several months in advance - which made the Christmas ones go out of continuity and air separately as lost episode Christmas specials for the next year during the Sekiei League's initial run. Nyarth's voice actor was asked if they would air Rougela's Christmas or the Porygon episode in edited form. They said that they want to treat "episode #38 as an illusion and as if it never existed, but we still plan on showing Rougela's Christmas" - and of course, the Christmas episodes were aired as off-to-the-side specials with no established continuity due to Pikachu's Forest and as can be seen by Satoshi's Hitokage being in its unevolved form.

I get my Amazon Prime versions by downloading them from another person who pays annually for the service (it's around $30/year in USD) - as it's easier given that I already pay for two Japanese services montly, the ones for Hulu and Netflix - and I also have to spend money on monthly fees paying for my American streaming services. I use the Amazon ones all the time for the widescreen episode image uploads, because their HD episodes are fully in 1080p and display well on my 1080p HD monitor screen (they are even better than ones like pocketmonsters fansubs and those other torrents online that use the TV airings), making it a good choice for images like BW022 (which I've started on getting bigger images for), and Dogasu describes Amazon Prime as the best way to watch Pocket Monsters in Japan. Best of all, they don't include the onscreen text (except for ones that are considered apart of the episode, like the onscreen text indicating that the Dent and Takeshi ones are special ones among the main episodes during their preview), but all text exclusive to television broadcasts - including removals of certain segments sometimes - isn't there because they use the unedited fully HD episode masters for them.

And as for that, yes, but even if it wasn't that way, the official episode listings take priority over how it is assumed to be that way based on the plot. That's why the dub aired it and XY094 months in delay - the original Japanese version one-hour'd it with XY094 (if you know what I mean) as to bridge over between the two as the next story of the anime, because regardless, that special is the final episode in the original Japanese lists for Pocket Monsters XY, which considered it the final XY episode as those official lists for other releases of the anime for on demand streaming services like Amazon Prime and Hulu also have the specials scattered in there (on Amazon, and I remember Hulu back when they still had the rights to air it, they have it with XY093 considered the 96th episode due to the other Mega Evolution specials being put in there too, with Mega Evolution Act IV put as episode 97).

Of course, I know you understand that part - I'm not saying you don't - I just want us to take what I mentioned in the above paragraph as the applied principle if anything like this comes in the future for future specials - to go by the official lists that scatter them within the normal episode listings, which make it easier to determine what it is in the series.  Pokémon Gamer  * 11:04, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * And as for that numbering (just want to make this a second comment so you can see it), due to it being a BW special (as it is officially named by the Amazon Prime playlist) airing months in delay (as seen by the segments in the episode considering at such), we would consider it BW146: Iris VS Clair! The Road to Dragon Master!! and say that it is "the special 47th episode of Pokémon: BW Adventures in Unova and Beyond." (the dub considers specials of the "end-of-series non-main adventure" nature as normal episodes per the dub of the XYZ legend special, because they use the same segments so that would be easier to manage and easier to find for those following by the dub seasons too, we would list them on the normal episode lists with the normal numbers while also listing them on the special episode lists, if we go by what I'm talking about here) It would be best to put into trivia that it aired as a one hour special in XY. It's the second apart of the BW pair airing months later around the XY020-XY029 numbers (I think it was XY021), so it wouldn't be confusing to consider it as such.  Pokémon Gamer  * 11:34, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * And another thing: should we consider it as Pokévision with the V lowercase? That's how it is on the official English website, and it makes it more consistent for the title. And yeah, re-releases (in other words, versions that use the normal standalone version of the episode instead of TV Tokyo's initial airing cut with the XY ending theme "X Strait Y Scenery" at the end of the second BW special on the first airing) consider that second special with the BW themes, it airing with the XY themes is just a result of airing during XY, but re-releases on other versions use the BW themes as they did with that Dent and Takeshi one. And in case it needs to be brought up, I think it's best to primarily name them under the normal numbers, not the SS numbers, because they're not purely specials, they're more main series episodes than specials, just that they are also on the other hand officially termed as "specials" among the normal episodes in terms of how they're not apart of the main journey, but they're still apart of the main series officially.  Pokémon Gamer  * 11:36, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

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 * why did you delete all my blogs? I just want these three thanks & Regards..Trainer Micah (talk) 19:41, August 21, 2017 (UTC)


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 * @Energy X - I checked the deleted contributions log (as that is available to people with the delete right, such as Content Moderators), and none of my comments that existed prior to the apparent deletion were listed there, so I think the system may be storing them elsewhere. It may be best for him to contact Fandom Support and request explanation of the issue that's going on - none of us deleted anything from his blogs.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:03, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * And as for the other thing with the post series episode pairs, should we start moving them now with the formatting I've suggested? We can list a separate section called episode pairs for the Pokémon Special page - because specials of this nature are normal episodes as well, per what the segments within them suggest, just that they have nothing to do with Satoshi's journey (which is why they're normal and special episodes under the definitions) - so much as to the point where the dub considers them normal episodes (per the XYZ episode's dub). Now with how much updating we'll have to do, I think we should do it this way:


 * Start with the DP ones: [red links removed] (DP192 and DP193), change the infobox episode numbers after that to be two numbers up, and then do the BW ones: [red links removed] (BW145 and BW146, with BW146 airing months overdue), change the infobox episode numbers after that to be two numbers up, and then do the XY ones: [red links removed] (XY141 and XY142), and change the infobox episode numbers after that to be two numbers up.

Now I also want to get another thing out of the way: the Mewtwo Saga thing is a three parter, with their own previews (which are different than the normal ones in using their own title cards and not putting a "jikai yokoku" screen because the individual parts have an eyecatch that says "MEWTWO LIVES" at the bottom right of the screen for the first and second parts surrounding the commercial break), the normal opening and ending during the Jouto region - but it is more of a special being scattered in with normal episodes with the official Japanese episode lists and it's more of a Mega Evolution Acts type thing and it was also aired on the final week of December of that year where it would normally be a Pokémon special and has no continuity that is meant to be taken as such in the main series. I know that it is normally to be taken as a full thing that is over 1 hour but this list has it as a 3 part special with the parts having the normal opening, ending, and previews.

But the difference with the Mewtwo Saga is that it is its own special divided into 3 parts (like the Mega Evolution ones) and episode lists like those mix in the special episodes with the main ones based on the order in which it aired - that's why we consider the Mewtwo Saga the same as the Mega Evolution ones for example.

I think that the only thing we can base it on really as an objective measure of whether they're regulars or specials is the Japanese version's "next episode preview" segments - as the ones for XY141 and XY142 (which our numbering implies them to be exclusively specials, even though they're not exclusively specials), those previews promote them as being "next time" (次回) on the main quest with usually the title card for the normal episode previews (saying "next time" [jikai], "[episode title]"), while they are accompanied by the advertising of them as "specials" (特別編) as well, which is what we can use as an objective measure in the future. We base it on what they are promoted as in the Japanese version and the next episode previews consider them both main series and special content as well. The ones that are merely special episodes that share nothing to do with the main plot do not have their previews explicitly mention that they are next up on the main arc.

The other holiday episodes, such as the ones for holidays that exist only in Japan and not foreign countries (such as children's day, which the episode for it is considered The Purr-fect Hero in the dub), were considered "extra edition" specials (番外編), but we have them under the normal numbering because they fit within the continuity enough to have an IL number on the wiki. The Christmas specials didn't fit within the continuity they would've been in if IL038 incident did not occur, so we number them as a made up code named OVA and list them in the Indigo League episode list because they were intended to air after IL038 as normal series episodes within the IL039/IL040 continuity, but although they're normal Indigo League episodes like the other holiday ones for the holidays that do not exist in foreign countries (such as Children's Day and the Hina Festival Day), the Christmas ones do not have a continuity that we can neutrally number them under with the IL code in the anime canon, due to the Pikachu Forest one (the one that ended up airing as IL039) taking over as the one that is placed after IL038 in the continuity, and nothing was retconned to the Christmas ones. For XY024, the episodes were moved upwards by one week, so we could neutrally place it as XY024 - but for the Rougela one, that was replaced altogether by the Pikachu forest one and although Rougela's episode (and the Iwark Bivouac one) aired later, it did not fall under the continuity in which it aired - so there is no way to legitimately and reasonably place this in the IL060-IL069 group that it actually aired in - and the only way to do this is to make up a separate episode code that applies only to those two and put them in the Indigo League episode list under those codes. They are normal episodes *and* holiday specials, just the same as the ones for the holidays that exist in Japan only and therefore do not exist in any foreign countries - just that they cannot be reasonably placed under the IL code because a new episode was created to fit into IL039 in continuity.

I am trying to just elaborate the above section for you just so we can be aware and not cause confusion - if the Christmas ones aired in their normal episode format that they would've been if IL038 incident did not occur, the format would remain undisturbed and we would consider the Christmas ones as IL039 and IL040 to this day, but because the IL038 incident occurred, the Christmas ones are no longer IL039 and IL040 as they were originally scheduled to be at first - they are just specials standing on their own merits of being lost episodes of Indigo League that aired later on with no IL### continuity that would be reasonable, unlike XY024, which can reasonably be numbered as XY024 due to how it remained in that continuity and the episodes were just aired out of order - heck, if IL039 did not have a new episode to create a new continuity, and they were the Christmas episodes airing in April, we would've numbered them as IL episodes - it's all because of that Pikachu episode taking over as IL039 that we cannot reasonably find a place to number it as an IL episode - that's why it's considered an episode under the OVA code here (despite being a regular Indigo League season episode), not because it's a holiday episode because there are other holiday specials we consider as IL code episodes. I'm also elaborating that based on the differences in the previews and the distinct aspects of the format that makes it different from the three parts of the.

Another objective measure of being a normal episode is for it to have a post-episode segment inserted at the end as a mini segment eyecatch gag - those are the segments that are not dubbed in the English localization. There are episodes that do not have the post episode segment on their first airing but those are due to promotions such as the movie event, and that has nothing to do with the episode's status as a regular episode - as every normal episode has post episode segments, just that when they are aired on weeks with movie promotions, TV Tokyo cuts the segments out of the episode - that doesn't mean they don't exist in the episode. The usage of this as evidence of being a normal or special episode isn't however applicable evidence to episodes like the Sekiei League ones and the ones before post episode segments were introduced - the format of the preview would be the only evidence there of which ones are normal, but then again, they weren't intended to have any specials that would be previewed at the end of an episode - all of them were normal episodes back then. The three parts of the Mewtwo Saga as they are separated on Amazon Prime Japan do not have a post episode segment unlike the actual regular episodes.

I'm mainly stating this here as a final assurance before we move the end-of-series episode pairs to normal episode numbers while stating that they are both normal and special episodes - because while that's what they are, not just merely specials only, I'm just asking you for final confirmation if we should move it to the normal episode numbers now in case there's something else we'd have to do afterwards that I'm missing. This is not the first time I've changed around numberings for the overall series episodes, I did that before when placing XY024 as a season 18 episode and not a season 17 episode due to it being an episode of the 18th season of the dub, not the 17th dub season like it was originally intended, and I am aware that all we need to do is consider the XY ones for example as "the special 48th/49th episode of Pokémon the Series: XYZ" (and do the same for all the other ones that normal episodes, but are also "specials" at the same time that are meant to be thought of as bonus episode pairs that are considered under the normal series) and list them both on the normal episodes list and the specials list.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:57, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not what I was saying - I was saying we should decapitalize the V letter in the word Pokévision because that's how it is spelled on the official English website, which as you said is more trustworthy, but you also said "yeah" there, implying that you were agreeing with what I was saying. Did you actually mean keep it capitalized then, or to lowercase it (as with how the official English-language pokemon.com site does it)?  Pokémon Gamer  * 21:21, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * I also think it's a bit iffy on whether the Pokémon Ranger ep comes before or after the Shaymin one for DP. If the Shaymin one coming first in the hour special is just a thing exclusive to the first airings, then that shouldn't be how we base it on - because the first airings in the Japanese version have been known to alter the flow of the series - such as how the X Strait Y Scenery song was placed at the end of BW146, and there are segments that tend to be skipped on first airings - and on the one hour special airing with Mega Evolution Act IV and XY094, they treated it as though Mega Evolution Act IV is XY&Z and not XY and they advertised it as being a one hour airing on the site - and Pokémon Company's official site has it the way it originally airs because it follows by the original airings - but I don't think we should go by a certain numbering if it is just an edit made to the first airings that is inapplicable to the normal versions - just because the first airings are the ones most commonly pirated on the internet does not mean we should go by them 100%. The official English site places the Ranger one as DP168 and the Shaymin one as DP169 and the Japanese Amazon Prime service places the Ranger one first, so it's not like it's an edit made to the episode order in the dub. The Japanese rental DVD's for Diamond and Pearl skip the Ranger one altogether and put it on a different DVD set it appears.


 * I've heard in the US, Ranger was skipped and aired months later but the production code has it as 1311 with the Shaymin one as 1312, hence why the English site lists it as that.


 * If the Ranger one coming after the Shaymin one is an edit that only applies to the 1 hour premiere airing, then I do not think we should rely on that as the determiner. But the Ranger one is a normal episode nonetheless, supported by the same evidence that we use to support the episode pairs at the end of a series being mainly regular ones.


 * Again, it's a little unclear about this one - but if someone can check and verify the claim that the Ranger one coming after the Shaymin one is a thing exclusive to first airings - then we should change it around to the normal standalone one - the first airings are not what we consider priority for episode order - DP192 and DP193 were aired months overdue during the BW series, and BW146 were aired during the XY series - but that doesn't mean that they are apart of the next series at all, that just means the TV airings change it up to appear as though it is intended to be put in the next series, though it is clearly not.


 * Again, the Ranger one is put before the Shaymin one in the original Japanese version and dub. The original Japanese airings put the Ranger one after the Shaymin one. If someone can verify that it is a thing exclusive to the original airings of the Japanese version, then we should use the normal one with the Ranger one as DP168 and the Shaymin one as DP169 - because the original airings have been known to modify this kind of stuff a lot, that doesn't mean it's the normal version of the episode or that it's true to the normal episode itself. I think Hulu Japan and Amazon Video Prime Japan use the same lists, meaning Hulu had Ranger as DP168 and Shaymin as DP169, not the other way around (Shaymin being DP168 and Ranger being DP169), back when it was still licensed to show the Diamond and Pearl series on its streaming service. The dub list has Ranger as DP168 and Shaymin as DP169 (which is believed to normally be the case). And yes, I have the Amazon Prime version through rips provided by someone else I know, and the preview shown at the end of DP167 on there shows the one for the Ranger episode while the preview at the end of the Ranger episode shows the one for the Shaymin episode. I believe the original airings edited to match how it was organized in the original airings, and that the DP168-Shaymin/DP169-Ranger ordering might be a first airings only thing. American TV listings that had listed the Japanese title had listed one that was a straight through translation of the Ranger one's at first, so that's another reliable source that says that Ranger comes first and Shaymin comes second - the people who manage Disney XD's TV guides I've seen them list fan translations of Japanese titles that are stolen from Wikipedia on their reusable listings guide (as listings that are never used) and list them by the Japanese air dates. Again, if it's just the first Japanese airings, then it's not what we should go by because first airings have altered content like that in a way that is not the normal version of the episodes.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 01:39, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought he was referring to the comments on the Sun & Moon predictions blog that were gone - yeah, I couldn't find those in the deleted contributions logs.  Pokémon Gamer  * 09:29, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

I see Thank you for deleting my blogs
Thank you i got your message and i'll say when i'll want them back so you notice as such, Can you delete the last blog the Code Lyoko Theme song one after you'll be done with my deletion's so you notice thanks...Trainer Micah (talk) 02:22, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was the one who suggested it to be decapitalized. Official English sources have it that way, so I've moved it already and that's where it is now (Pokévision), as that's the official one like you said, so that's the one we need to keep it as.
 * The amount of screen time on the main characters does not determine whether it is a normal or special episode - it's based on whether it was produced for the main series, which it is, and we base it on production continuity - it's best to have it as DP168 and have the Shaymin one as DP169 (because the other way around order is exclusive to first airings in the Japanese version), while mentioning that the episode is intended to promote the game, because for example XY078 is an episode promoting the "movie" concept and it aired in Japan somewhere just before MS018, also airing later in the US just before the American premiere of MS018.
 * We can't just move the pages out of the normal episode order though, because apart from being produced as a normal episode for the normal series but its production numberings in the continuity (regardless of the amount of screen time on the main characters) place it in the normal series - there are AG ones that are normal ones, because of how it was produced, and we can't possibly move them unless we were to also move the AG ones (and like you said, there's also red links pointing to the old page names after the AG101 move, which was already a pain as it was). Also, the next episode preview makes no mention of being a special one, it uses the normal title card like usual, and uses the post episode segment which the merely special ones don't use - that's the objective proof of being a normal episode. All I think we can do is just mention in the opening paragraph that it's intended to promote the Ranger games, but they're certainly normal episodes due to being formatted as such by the preview and in production, like the rationale is for how Satoshi's return to Masara Town's episode is OI001 and not IL081.
 * Again, the Christmas specials of Sekiei League arc are normal episodes but the only reason we number them differently was because they aired as though the IL039/IL040 continuity is not existent due to the Pikachu one being newly created to replace it. It's based on what it's officially labeled as, not based on fan assumptions based on where Satoshi is in the series or the amount of screen time given to characters - the reason we are numbering the episode pairs at the end of a series as normal episodes is because they are treated the same as normal episodes but they are also given the "special episode" label. If they aired as IL039 and IL040 as they were initially intended, we wouldn't be giving them the "OVA" labeling, we only do that because the Pikachu forest episode replaced its spot in the continuity. Otherwise, they're normal episodes *and* holiday specials, the same as IL052 and IL053 are - we are considering them special ones because the final episode that aired is taken in the current production format to be as though it is an episode airing outside of the IL codes - not because the Christmas holiday more "universal" in the sense that they exist in English speaking countries too. The IL052 and IL053 ones are normal episodes and holiday specials, because they are based on holidays (ones that only exist locally within Japan), it doesn't matter whether the holidays exist in the countries of the vast majority of users on this wiki. We also base it neutrally on the country the reader lives in, and we are not going to assume that no one on this wiki (readers and editors alike) live in Japan - I even know a user here who does live in Japan.
 * All we can do is just change the Ranger one to DP168 and the Shaymin one as DP169 because episodes of the Pokémon Ranger promotional nature are considered regular episodes officially, regardless of whether they take place within the series - just that first airings place the Ranger one as DP169 and Shaymin as DP168 - because the original airings are not required to leave the episode order untouched.


 * So we're still going to definitely need to name the Ranger one as a normal episode because it is officially produced and meant to be viewed as one, the amount of screen time given to main characters is irrelevant - which is already self evident by the normal format of it. Naming it as a special just because it doesn't take place on Satoshi's journey is just like naming DP120 as a special for the same reason - it was officially produced as a normal episode, we only consider clip shows and such things as specials if they were not produced as normal episodes - the end of series ones are normal episodes, but they are also specials at the same time.


 * I think just adding a note in the opening paragraph that is a normal episode meant to promote the Ranger games would be better, because they are normal episodes - the relevance of the main journey to the episode is irrelevant.


 * Also, there are two part Ranger ones in the DP070's so in total, it would require renumbering over a hundred episode page moves at least - all while they're still officially considered regular episodes in their entirety, just that they don't promote the main games. So considering them specials at this point would be worthless and inaccurate, as XY078 is meant to promote the movie concept and aired later in America just the same as with the Ranger one - the reason it's XY078 and not a special is because it is officially formatted as one by the next episode preview, and there is a post episode segment which special episodes do not include, even if it is intended to promote the whole "movie" concept that MS018 uses, which came soon after XY078 aired. XY078 aired in the US shortly before the US premiere of MS018, because it is intended to promote the movie concept - it doesn't make it a special episode.


 * Also, noting it on Pokémon Special as a regular episode that has evidence of also being a special too (the main DVD's not including it) as we do with the end-of-series pairs, is good enough. The fact that it aired in delay in the US isn't good enough evidence because XY078 works the same way (and it's meant to promote the movie with an episode about the subject of movie making, which is something other than the main journey too, us naming it as a normal episode has nothing to do with the screen time given to main characters, we base it on how it's produced for the main series as a normal episode), and the only evidence of being a special episode is the Japanese rental DVD's not including it in the main set. Everywhere else considers it a normal episode only, including the next episode preview and the inclusion of a post episode segment, so there is only one piece of evidence that it's a special (and it's not the one that we normally use to decide that kind of thing).


 * We only use the dub DVD's to determine the seasons because they use the "common title" format this wiki prefers - but we don't use the Japanese rental DVD's to determine it, as the Japanese rentals also list special episodes as being normal, while excluding this one normal episode for Pokémon Ranger and including it on another DVD set - so there is literally no proof that it is a special one, it is officially an episode produced for the normal series - it's best to have it as DP168 (its actual order) with the Shaymin one coming after it as DP169 - even if the Ranger one does not promote the main games. There's also the common matter of games =/= anime, so there is no official evidence that the Ranger one is a special, unlike the other specials we have here.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 20:06, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * (just wanted to write a second comment so you'll see it) Logically, if we were basing it on the amount of screen time given to the characters (which is a more subjective basis than how we usually do it), then we would be considering SM016 as a special too because the episode's plot and screen time focuses mainly on the heroes' Pokémon - that's not how we do it, it's based objectively on how it was produced, whether it was produced for the main series or a special. The series conclusion pairs and the Ranger ones are normally episodes because they are clearly produced as such, which is seen by how the segments, eyecatches, next episode previews, and post-episode segments treat them as normal episodes - the thing is with how the series conclusion pairs like DP192/DP193 for example are considered special episodes as well as normal ones is because the narration and summaries also refer to these normal episodes as "tokubetsu hen" or "bangai hen", which means special edition - but because they're produced as normal ones, the segments are the same. Because of how the Ranger ones are produced as normal ones and there's been no official statement on being special ones too, they're clearly just merely normal ones, just ones that do not promote the main games, following under the games =/= anime thing.


 * The difference with Mystery Dungeon is that they are not produced for the main series - the Ranger ones are produced and intended for the main series. That's why the Mystery Dungeon ones are specials and these Ranger ones are not.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:43, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I added that second comment just mere seconds after you left that comment on my talk page. Also, I did leave a comment on the move galleries forum - and I was aware you had created that forum page - I just held off on adding a comment because I couldn't think of an opinion to put on the page comments until I saw what you and Lordranged7 commented - I did send the link to Kyurem147 though.
 * What I think we can do though is rename the Ranger episode as DP168 and the Shaymin one as DP169 because Amazon Japan's release as well as the dub listings both confirm that the Ranger one is normally DP168 and the Shaymin one is normally DP169, not the other way around. The first airings are not expected to keep the episode order as it is especially when it's a one hour one, so the order in which it aired in is not the same as where it is officially stated to belong in the series, and we can just say that the Shaymin one being DP168 and the Ranger one being DP169 is only a first airing edit - we do not base on the first airing edits, we base on the normal standalone episode versions.  Pokémon Gamer  * 20:58, August 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * That, and I'm also planning on doing the DP193 gallery as an image task, because you and Lordranged7 usually get these other images from the pocketmonsters subs, but it's preferred for us not to use them for these ones because they are hard coded to display on the video footage, they're not encoded to where you can turn them off - they're built in stone on the video footage. Luckily, I have every single episode of the anime in original, raw, undubbed Japanese without subs on them and the ones that are apart of the modern 16:9 era, I have them in full 1080p HD (which is incredibly rare for the quality, as the TV broadcast recordings such as pocketmonsters fansubs have them at usual 720p). So I'll do them at some point for DP193 as I'm the only one who can get clean images without the subs on the screen so it has to be me who does it - it's just that I'm not certain which day I'll do it - I just want to have you aware.
 * Also, as for the banned episodes question, Nectaria back when she was still active stated that just because an episode was undubbed due to the dub not finding it necessary to include doesn't mean it's banned - and that it just means that TPCi or 4Kids too lazy to dub it and did not find it relevant. I think we can make a section on the banned episodes article called Undubbed episodes, which would include episodes that were undubbed due to having no importance enough to include in the dub - but not categorize it under the banned episodes category specifically.  Pokémon Gamer  * 21:47, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

Movie gallery pages hm?
I wouldn't mind if we added this feature would look cool if we added this to the Bio pages and moves plus i've seen it once before how they have the automatic feature were they can flip through them with or without using the tabber's. 


 * So you notice as for episodes we could go slowly adding them and delete the extra images as we go from each episode, What do you think? Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 05:29, August 23, 2017 (UTC) 


 * Also checked  reports out in discussion and everything's true as reported, I'm checking user Claws of Santa's profile discussion bio out now to see if it's true So you notice as such reported & Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 06:42, August 23, 2017 (UTC)


 *  Checked and reported on Discussion thought i'd let you know from August 20th everything's true Amazingly Regards...Trainer Micah (talk) 07:43, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

isn't having SEO a good thing?--Kyurem147 (talk) 22:47, August 23, 2017 (UTC)

Alt accounts.
Sir, A username "Master of all Pokemons", Real Name "Shaurya" has created two accounts. I have his both Account's usernames so it'll be easy for you and check his bio. Check out Master of all pokemons on Pokemon. http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/u/32820688 And Check out Champion X on Pokemon. http://pokemon.wikia.com/d/u/32935840 Kindly ban his one account. Thanks! X Dragonlord (talk) 05:47, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Mewtwo special

 * a.) Should we consider the Mega Evolution specials as Mega Evolution Specials and not Mega Evolution Acts? That's because "Specials" is apart of the official English title of it.
 * b.) Should we add sections to the plot summary of this special for the 3 parts? While the original airing considered it a little-over-an-hour special, it is not exclusively spin-off special like the BW and XY movie spin-offs were, it's a series special too (sort of like how the Mega Evolution ones were, they were Pocket Monsters XY specials), and the places that consider it a series special have it split in three parts, and we know this because the Japanese episode list used by Hulu, cable channels like Kids Station that do reruns of the show, as well as Amazon Prime have it, and those versions put next episode previews at the end of them (JE062 shows the preview for part 1 of the Mewtwo special, Mewtwo special part 1 shows the preview for part 2, and Mewtwo special part 2 shows a preview for part 3, and Mewtwo special part 3 shows the preview for JE063), advertising them as being original series specials rather than off-to-the-side spin off specials, so we're definitely going to need to list the three parts on the Pokémon Specials page as original series specials and list it as a Johto League Champions special in a seasons parameter of the infobox - because it isn't just a film, it's considered 3 separate parts when it is considered a main series special. Also, the dub does not distinguish main series and spin off specials, we just base which season special it is on which episodes it falls between like how we consider IL035/IL038 as Indigo League episodes because it falls between Indigo League episodes. I'm not crazy, this episode list (which considers series specials and normal episodes as counted there, while excluding spin off specials) considers the three part version as being episodes 63/64/65 of the Jouto League. I'm basing this on my careful judgment based on that official list that gives us an objective measure by which to consider specials spin-offs or series specials, and the series special version of it considers it divided into three parts. It is also a spin off film at the same time when it is aired in full and not separated by parts. I also have videos of the three part version of the Japanese re-releases, so I'll know where to divide it in the summary by sections, and we can maybe do different section-separated galleries for the three different parts (with each having a 30 image limit), just like how we do every 20-25 minute special with 30 images, because they are considered different parts when it is re-released in the Japanese version such as in rerun airings.
 * The only version in which it is considered exclusively a spin-off is the dub, but the Japanese version takes priority, according to which it is both a three part series special and a little-over-one hour spin off film special, so we're definitely going to need to list the dub season it aired in the middle of in the Japanese version in the template and list it on the Pokémon Special page, whether or not we go by my section separated plot summary/gallery suggestion, because we already do that for other specials. This can be done by using different tabs for the spin off and three part series special version of it like we do for the lyrics of songs with the lyrics, romanizations, and translations, because it is both a spin-off 1 hour, 15 minutes special as well as a special of the original series (with the series special version being split into three 20+ minute episode parts).
 * I hope you were able to follow along with the thorough explanation I provided because with my judgment on the type of special it is, it's carefully thought into, and I don't want you to lose track of my reasoning why the Mewtwo thing is both a series special and spin off special.

 Pokémon Gamer  * 21:13, August 24, 2017 (UTC)